Big brother is watching you, your Forest Service bug out road has a camera

[Miyamoto Musashi]

Nothing to hide? Let me pose a question. If your parent when you were young, lets say placed cams around your space. Tracked your movements, listened in on your phone and computer. Why not through in stop and frisk on your way to and from school. In this context would that be excessive? I say yes, You can go to far. There are better ways to have most everyone doing their part than having the fear of authority breathing right on the back of your neck. If it's a deal of lesser of two evils, then close the road and stop breathing on me.

 

[BigStick]

I get pissed every time I hear (or read) someone say "I have nothing to hide". If that is your mindset, then you are incredibly ignorant of many things. Just keep drinking the coolaid and think that the police are only there to help you.

I agree with Miyamoto, they have gone too far, and I am not willing to trade my freedoms for promises of security. Especially when the added "protection" is laughable at best.

 

[POPS]

Afew years ago I was spring bear hunting around the central Vancouver island town of PORT ALBERNI 'bout an 1/2 hour from home. We have had problems with a certain group of people (I will not go into) poaching elk. on an unused logging road I came upon a HUGE pile of apples and a salt lick.....................
went to town next afternoon for some supplies saw a c.o. mentioned my find Reply was YES SIR,we have cameras all thru the area!!!!! AND don't bother looking for them,you willNOT find them!!!!! been wondering ever since, am I being watched!!!!!!!

 

[BAMCIS]

I have mixed feelings on this as other have already said. If this is used responsibly then I can see the merits in their use. However, now I wonder how many pics the USFS has of the wife topless or of us going "au natural" on warm days while we've been in the woods.

 

[Trailboss]

Hmm...Let me think about this for a minute. SHTF and old Joe needs good transportation for himself and his family. He loads up the old truck with everything they'll need. Drives up to a Forest Service camera and does a crazy dance in front of it. Sits back and waits for a new $60,000 4x4 to pull up. Leaves FS guys tied to a tree and loads belongings and family into a real nice transport. SHTF isn't too bad after all. New truck, winch, radios, weapons, first aid kit, axe, jack, tow straps, shovel, official look with those fancy lights and all...

 

[PuddleMonkey]

I posted this in 2010, and it's gonna take 2 posts to get it all down.

 

[The Heretic]

The gov. response is usually that putting cameras everywhere is no different than having LEOs out patrolling everywhere all the time.

Well, it is different and here is why:

a) When a LEO is out patrolling you typically know when they are there. For those people who like to sit around nude, or do what bears do in the woods, etc., who probably would not do that if someone was watching, there is a difference.

b) There is a difference in public attitude when the public knows that it is being watched almost everywhere, all the time - in public, and often in private (all your electronic activities, including what you buy).

Combine this with secret courts, secret police, "extraordinary rendition" (gov. kidnapping people), secret trials, secret laws, secret prisons, gov. torturing people, the gov. putting people on the no-fly list because they refused to be informants on their religious community, and so on - and you get what is in effect, a police state.

 

[coyote223]

I have mixed feelings on this as other have already said. If this is used responsibly then I can see the merits in their use. However, now I wonder how many pics the USFS has of the wife topless or of us going "au natural" on warm days while we've been in the woods.

Bwahahaha, with the level of corruption in our federal government. Do you really think they do anything responsibly?

 

[Reindeer]

Any new law or violation of a person's rights or space can always be justified with something that sounds reasonable on the surface. The two problems I have are:

1. The use of surveillance represents a breakdown of trust in society. I for one am a believer that once the element of trust goes out of any form of human relationship, said relationship is in deep trouble.

2. I'm also considering the use of taxpayer resources to both procure and monitor these surveillance devices. Driving through town, I notice that we have a LOT of empty business spaces; plus hotels, a strip mall, and few restaurants that are all in bankruptcy, etc. Because of this I have to ask if monitoring forest roads that aren't used that much is really the best way to be allocating these resources?

 

[1under]

thank you for posting this info.

 

[YOURSUPREMECOMMANDER]

Sometimes when I'm deep in the woods, there isn't always a toilet nearby. Is it legal to crap in the woods? I normally would not ask such a question, but I also don't think I would like to be watching the 6 o'clock news, and realize there I am doing my business on national television.

 

[Trailboss]

Sometimes when I'm deep in the woods, there isn't always a toilet nearby. Is it legal to crap in the woods?

Sure, as long as you don't drop your drawers because that would constitute public nudity and that is against the law

 

[YOURSUPREMECOMMANDER]

I get pissed every time I hear (or read) someone say "I have nothing to hide". If that is your mindset, then you are incredibly ignorant of many things. Just keep drinking the coolaid and think that the police are only there to help you.

I agree with Miyamoto, they have gone too far, and I am not willing to trade my freedoms for promises of security. Especially when the added "protection" is laughable at best.

You have just expressed thoughts that I have felt - but did not have the patience to articulate. Who would be listening? Those that have nothing to hide?

 

[dirtysteve]

Would be a great idea to find and seize the SD card and replace it with one full of whatever porn item you thought was clever at the time. Really fires up the conversation back at the forest service HQ.

 

[BAMCIS]

Would be a great idea to find and seize the SD card and replace it with one full of whatever porn item you thought was clever at the time. Really fires up the conversation back at the forest service HQ.

Or a virus.........

 

[Trailboss]

Or a virus.........

Or photos of Forest Service employees sleeping in their trucks or drinking on the job or...