Bidens Plan To End Gun Violence

I've been watching the debate all night, but haven't heard anything 2A related. (Though there were wife and kiddo interruptions, but don't think I missed anything on this score yet.) It is almost over, but nothing yet.
 
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If the Anti-Gunner/Communist politicians take control of Presidency and Congress, the Bill of Rights and Constitution will not prevent them from trampling on your rights and abolishing the very laws and foundations that have protected us from tyrannical decrees. As ol Benjamin Franklin said, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what we are going to have for dinner. It is our Constitution and Bill of Rights that is our Foundation that prevents the wolves from getting their way. And, it is the Sheep Dogs that make sure the wolves don't forcefully abolish such fundamental laws and push their own agenda. America, as a whole has become much more anti-gunner (politically) and Communist. Many don't even pay attention to the Anti-Gunner legislation as they are just waiting for government handouts, being brainwashed by mainstream Goebbels style media and being told to be submissive, scared and spineless sheeple that only the big powerful government goons can save from their own demise.

Many are still waiting for their $2000/mo government paychecks taken from the "evil capitalists" (as they refer to them) to fund their lifestyle of eating Dairy Queen , sitting on the couch all day watching Netflix , which will keep them healthy and safe through the deadly Pandemic which only the ANti-Gunner/Communist can save them from. God forbid they go out to a gym or something and exercise or eat healthier food :eek:!

They want the police defunded as they claim there is a mass extermination of certain ethnic groups at their hands, but then claim that law-abiding gun owners are responsible for 99% of the murders in this country with their Assault Weapons and therefore must be completely disarmed, forcefully. And, who will do it, you may ask? Well, obviously not the disbanded police department. Most likely a military operation via Executive Orders which would make the country much more in line with other fascist dictatorships. Nope, just got to wait for Big Daddy Anti-Gunner/Commie government to come and save them from this terror and these radical "Right-Wing" extremists who are going around terrorizing all of society .. Nevermind, the Radical Left-Wing Anti-Gunner/Commie extremists who are actually burning, looting, robbing and destroying everything. Those they claim are just exercising their right to free speech and expression o_O. It is Pro-Gunner, Conservative, Hard Working, Constitution minded people they claim are causing all the problems and mayhem in our country and their solution is to use an Executive Order with military force to disarm these people as an emergency measure of National Security.

I hate to say this, but in my opinion, if the Anti-Gunner/Communist government takes the Presidency and Congress our country will devolve into civil conflict, as the Pro-Gunners and Anti-Gunners will not get along . I do believe somewhere during the Presidency an executive order will be issued and their will be legislation for national gun confiscation. I do believe our military will give the finger to the generals , politicians any other governing entity who demands they enforce such an unconstitutional measure. I also believe if we were willing to fight a Revolution over overtaxed tea , we are willing to fight a revolution over the abolition of the 2nd Amendment of our Constitution, which is one of the most precious and fundamental rights of any free citizen of a nation. It's worth fighting for and I do believe once the Pro-Gunners get a very hard slap in the face they will get off of their sofas, stop hiding from one another and there will be a major Right-Wing Revolt that will make pale in comparison, the Anti-Gunner Left-Wing terrorism we are seeing today. Instead of burning American flags and fighting for the destruction of America as the Anti-Gunner/Communist/Anarchist are doing, there will be large groups of people who will fight to protect the American flag and defend America's foundation.

Right now Pro-Gunners/Patriots are in a slumber and have been living with too much complacency and as with many times in history it will bring rise to the radicals, fascists and Anti-Gunner political parties and zealots. The sleeping giant will be awoken. I know America will not crash and burn without a fight. We are still a young country even though we live in a modern world. I do foresee a few Civil Wars and even secession of territory possibly before I see America just collapse and burn unanimously and that her precious Bill of Rights be reduced to a museum exhibit that is no longer taken to the letter.
I was reading a smaller board's thread asking if it were time for a civilian militia. Virtually all of these pro-gun people said no. Reason? Put twelve of them into a room and ask for opinions and not even three will agree on the same thing. I don't see a time when that kind of truism manifests itself into resistance against tyranny. Otherwise, we would have no bans on automatic weapons, no background checks, no statewide bans on a guns features, no bump stock ban, no registration, and no laws prohibiting the bearing of Arms.
 

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I've been watching the debate all night, but haven't heard anything 2A related. (Though there were wife and kiddo interruptions, but don't think I missed anything on this score yet.) It is almost over, but nothing yet.
Seems Sleepy Joe is personally most interested in preserving the Obamacare legacy. But his hungry minions will be coming for us soon enough.
 
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I was reading a smaller board's thread asking if it were time for a civilian militia. Virtually all of these pro-gun people said no. Reason? Put twelve of them into a room and ask for opinions and not even three will agree on the same thing. I don't see a time when that kind of truism manifests itself into resistance against tyranny. Otherwise, we would have no bans on automatic weapons, no background checks, no statewide bans on a guns features, no bump stock ban, no registration, and no laws prohibiting the bearing of Arms.
There is nothing new about people not agreeing on things and probably a good reason why the Nazis and Japanese who basically aligned themselves under a Supreme Ruler and draconian ideology were able to unite together to attack an unsuspecting and disorganized Europe and eventually the USA.. Despite Churchill pleading and begging for us to engage the Nazis and look at the threat of the Japanese Empire spreading in Asia, we callously and naively refused to acknowledge Churchill's pleas even with Nazis invading and attacking England and France. I mean Hitler invaded France in 1940 for God's sake and we didn't enter the war until almost 1942! I mean how would you feel today with a belligerent Fascist ideological war machine like Hitler rolling his armies into every European country and Japanese conquering Asia? Of course, we did mobilize to a smaller degree to help and aid our foreign friends, thinking somehow we were not involved in this world wide catastrophe breathing down our throats. Because it was so far away. It had nothing to do with us :rolleyes: . Despite upping our production and aiding allies, we mainly just sat on our butts and enjoyed our lives so comfortably here in Mainland USA , quibbling over the little things peace-time people quibble over. In the meantime, children , families were being butchered in Europe and Asia. It took a very rude awakening right here on US soil to make Americans unite together and become a "United" States once again and form an allegiance with themselves and stand up to the oppressive enemy abroad who now everyone could acknowledge was a significant threat to their well-being.

Knowing Americans, their complacency, naivety and basically how many Americans tend to be more solitary and less communal in times of peace, I think it will take another rude awakening to awake the Patriots of this country and unite them for battle. However, knowing our history and knowing that a violent and tyrannical threat now is growing within our own soils and our own backyard that will challenge the foundations of our nation, our freedoms, peace and tranquility, Americans will wake up like we did in World War II. If we refuse to and just want to keep disagreeing and quibbling among ourselves, while our enemies are united in their cause to destroy us , our Constitution , Bill of Rights and the foundations of our country, then that will be the end of the UNited States of America as we know it.

As I said we are a very young Constitutional Republic with a Democratic elected government. A country like this will probably endure quite a few civil wars before it is fully matured. Just look at European and Asian countries. 1000+ years of conflict, tribal, clan, monarchic, regional, religious wars were endured by these nations to shape what they are today. The USA is no different. All the modern weapons and technology we have are meaningless at preventing conflict, when the war is behind friendly lines.. Even though I think wars among nuclear powers will cease in the nuclear age (mutually assured destruction), internal wars and civil wars are still very common in this world. The USA is a very divided and large country.

My feelings are the Pro-Gunner/Patriots of this country will not submit and accept the rule and tyranny of the Anti-Gunner/Communists in this country. Once they wield their iron fist of tyranny and use the military to promote their causes or even import militaries from abroad to carry out their decrees, it will change the fabric of Americans and Patriots as we know it. This country will change and their will be a massive revolt. People will come together whether they like it or not. They don't care if you supported a certain kind of marriage, believe in a certain faith, supported drug legislation or whatever. Because , a Pro-Gunner/Patriot is a Pro-Gunner/Patriot and an Anti-Gunner/Communist is an Anti-Gunner/Communist. Even the Soviet Union aligned with the USA and England because they knew they had a common enemy that threatened them much more than one another.


The words of our Founding Father, Thomas Jefferson, I pray will not be said in vain if the time comes.. In fact, is more of a prophesy than merely a worrisome statement. Look at the wording.. Jefferson literally foretold of this time and knew it would one day be a grim reality for the preservation of the USA, its Constitution and its People:
Thomas Jefferson said:
There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
I know many will think now that all this is unthinkable and people will just sit around and accept whatever form of tyranny is inflicted upon them. But, I do think there is enough zeal in this country and a spirit that is implanted in each of us that will be aroused .. Our Founding Fathers left us a legacy and a spirit of Freedom unlike ever seen in the history of the world. As I said, if we were willing to risk lives over unfair taxes from a Dictator abroad, I think we are willing to risk our lives fighting a tyrannical government in our own backyard that wants to oppress us and remove much more of our freedoms than even the British Empire.
 
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There is nothing new about people not agreeing on things and probably a good reason why the Nazis and Japanese who basically aligned themselves under a Supreme Ruler and draconian ideology were able to unite together to attack an unsuspecting and disorganized Europe and eventually the USA.. Despite Churchill pleading and begging for us to engage the Nazis and look at the threat of the Japanese Empire spreading in Asia, we callously and naively refused to acknowledge Churchill's pleas even with Nazis invading and attacking England and France. I mean Hitler invaded France in 1940 for God's sake and we didn't enter the war until almost 1942! I mean how would you feel today with a belligerent Fascist ideological war machine like Hitler rolling his armies into every European country and Japanese conquering Asia? Of course, we did mobilize to a smaller degree to help and aid our foreign friends, thinking somehow we were not involved in this world wide catastrophe breathing down our throats. Because it was so far away. It had nothing to do with us :rolleyes: . Despite upping our production and aiding allies, we mainly just sat on our butts and enjoyed our lives so comfortably here in Mainland USA , quibbling over the little things peace-time people quibble over. In the meantime, children , families were being butchered in Europe and Asia. It took a very rude awakening right here on US soil to make Americans unite together and become a "United" States once again and form an allegiance with themselves and stand up to the oppressive enemy abroad who now everyone could acknowledge was a significant threat to their well-being.

Knowing Americans, their complacency, naivety and basically how many Americans tend to be more solitary and less communal in times of peace, I think it will take another rude awakening to awake the Patriots of this country and unite them for battle. However, knowing our history and knowing that a violent and tyrannical threat now is growing within our own soils and our own backyard that will challenge the foundations of our nation, our freedoms, peace and tranquility, Americans will wake up like we did in World War II. If we refuse to and just want to keep disagreeing and quibbling among ourselves, while our enemies are united in their cause to destroy us , our Constitution , Bill of Rights and the foundations of our country, then that will be the end of the UNited States of America as we know it.

As I said we are a very young Constitutional Republic with a Democratic elected government. A country like this will probably endure quite a few civil wars before it is fully matured. Just look at European and Asian countries. 1000+ years of conflict, tribal, clan, monarchic, regional, religious wars were endured by these nations to shape what they are today. The USA is no different. All the modern weapons and technology we have are meaningless at preventing conflict, when the war is behind friendly lines.. Even though I think wars among nuclear powers will cease in the nuclear age (mutually assured destruction), internal wars and civil wars are still very common in this world. The USA is a very divided and large country.

My feelings are the Pro-Gunner/Patriots of this country will not submit and accept the rule and tyranny of the Anti-Gunner/Communists in this country. Once they wield their iron fist of tyranny and use the military to promote their causes or even import militaries from abroad to carry out their decrees, it will change the fabric of Americans and Patriots as we know it. This country will change and their will be a massive revolt. People will come together whether they like it or not. They don't care if you supported a certain kind of marriage, believe in a certain faith, supported drug legislation or whatever. Because , a Pro-Gunner/Patriot is a Pro-Gunner/Patriot and an Anti-Gunner/Communist is an Anti-Gunner/Communist. Even the Soviet Union aligned with the USA and England because they knew they had a common enemy that threatened them much more than one another.


The words of our Founding Father, Thomas Jefferson, I pray will not be said in vain if the time comes.. In fact, is more of a prophesy than merely a worrisome statement. Look at the wording.. Jefferson literally foretold of this time and knew it would one day be a grim reality for the preservation of the USA, its Constitution and its People:


I know many will think now that all this is unthinkable and people will just sit around and accept whatever form of tyranny is inflicted upon them. But, I do think there is enough zeal in this country and a spirit that is implanted in each of us that will be aroused .. Our Founding Fathers left us a legacy and a spirit of Freedom unlike ever seen in the history of the world. As I said, if we were willing to risk lives over unfair taxes from a Dictator abroad, I think we are willing to risk our lives fighting a tyrannical government in our own backyard that wants to oppress us and remove much more of our freedoms than even the British Empire.
I guess this is one of those times where honest people have to agree to disagree. According to one source:

"Americans may not think of themselves as an “empire,” but much of the world does. The average age of empires, according to a specialist on the subject, the late Sir John Bagot Glubb, is 250 years. After that, empires always die, often slowly but overwhelmingly from overreaching in the search for power. "

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Civilizations tend to last about 500 years:


We have reached the apex of both definitions. The only exception to the rule was the Roman Empire which lasted 1,000 to 1,500 years (depending upon which historian you're relying on). The United States did in 250 years what no empire had ever accomplished since the first governing document of the New World, the Mayflower Compact, was signed. Just as the Roman Empire began to mix cultures, races, religions, creeds, political points of view, sexual persuasions, and foreign ideologies thereby ending that empire, the United States has done likewise. Today we disagree over the original intent of the Constitution in places like the gun lobby, where we should all adhere to Thomas Jefferson's ideas on constitutional interpretation. But, we don't. We try to be moderate and compromise with the far left. If we're all for gun Rights, how can we disagree with the constitutional interpretations of the founders and framers?

Secondary to that, as long as most Americans have it financially comfortable, I don't see an uprising to push back against the encroaching incrementalism that is robbing us of our unalienable Rights. I'll leave you with the words of Jefferson along these lines. It's found in the Declaration of Independence:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
 
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I think after that debate, gun and ammo sales are going to soar exponentially.
I checked a couple of online sources weeks ago and some people, like Midway, are trying to get $1 a round for 5.56. Gun and ammo sales can't do any better than they're doing as it is. There is nothing to be had. If Kamala Harris is elected, there are going to be a lot of people standing in lines to surrender it all - I mean that is, unless we unite and actively revolt against ALL gun control measures.
 
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....... are trying to get $1 a round for 5.56. Gun and ammo sales can't do any better than they're doing as it is.........
I'll test this theory on armslist later this weekend and put up some 9mm for a $1 a round and 5.56 for $1.75 a round. I'll come back with the outcome next week. I predicted earlier this month that October would be the perfect time to sell, it's happening.

With a baby on the way, I can be sure they will reap the benefits.
 
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I'll test this theory on armslist later this weekend and put up some 9mm for a $1 a round and 5.56 for $1.75 a round. I'll come back with the outcome next week.
It might be premature, but last week some guy was trying that. He wanted $1.25 per round for 5.56 Winchester. Ironically, I stood in line earlier that morning and snagged three boxes (200 per box) of the same stuff for $238 and change from Academy Sports. If it gets to where ammo is over $1 a round, I'm going to sell most of mine. The only way I wouldn't is if I'm wrong and somebody decides that it is past time to tell this illegal government operating out of Washington Wonderland, District of Corruption that we demand they make good on Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution or else.
 
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I guess this is one of those times where honest people have to agree to disagree. According to one source:

"Americans may not think of themselves as an “empire,” but much of the world does. The average age of empires, according to a specialist on the subject, the late Sir John Bagot Glubb, is 250 years. After that, empires always die, often slowly but overwhelmingly from overreaching in the search for power. "

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Civilizations tend to last about 500 years:


We have reached the apex of both definitions. The only exception to the rule was the Roman Empire which lasted 1,000 to 1,500 years (depending upon which historian you're relying on). The United States did in 250 years what no empire had ever accomplished since the first governing document of the New World, the Mayflower Compact, was signed. Just as the Roman Empire began to mix cultures, races, religions, creeds, political points of view, sexual persuasions, and foreign ideologies thereby ending that empire, the United States has done likewise. Today we disagree over the original intent of the Constitution in places like the gun lobby, where we should all adhere to Thomas Jefferson's ideas on constitutional interpretation. But, we don't. We try to be moderate and compromise with the far left. If we're all for gun Rights, how can we disagree with the constitutional interpretations of the founders and framers?

Secondary to that, as long as most Americans have it financially comfortable, I don't see an uprising to push back against the encroaching incrementalism that is robbing us of our unalienable Rights. I'll leave you with the words of Jefferson along these lines. It's found in the Declaration of Independence:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
I don't totally disagree with you, although I do believe what I am saying will come true eventually. I also stated it may not come true and America will just die and collapse like so many other countries before it.. I am speaking only on my inclination of what I both hope and do think will eventually happen. I've studied in the past about the rise and falls of civilizations and empires. Indeed, there can be some correlations , but I also think in the nuclear age there is quite a few contrasts and comparing the Roman Empire, for example to the USA is not really possible. For one thing, if the USA falls it will not be the work of foreign nations destroying it, it will be the nation destroying itself from within. And, in fact, I can go as far to say the USA empire has already fallen. With the rise of nuclear powers like Russia, China and even India the USA is hardly an empire that rules the world when these countries have the power to wipe the USA off the map, just as the USA has the power to obliterate these countries as well. Even a little nation like France (whose empire is long gone) can wreck havoc on the USA with its nuclear arsenal. The nuclear age and its associated mutually assured destruction , in my opinion, somewhat has removed real true empires. Because, if any one nation expands its territorial prowess too much and starts to threaten the livelihood of another nuclear armed nation, it could result in a catastrophic nuclear war with no winners. Until there is technology that can render nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction useless and we revert back to conventional wars to expand our dominion, I don't see that changing any time soon.

We basically fight "Cold Wars" now and wars that will make the other country struggle financially and potentially diplomatically within its own dominion. In fact, I feel China has thoroughly been kicking our backside in this particular type of Cold War, especially with the China becoming a Communistic Capitalist nation and the USA becoming a Democrat Socialist nation that is veering to more Soviet style Communism more and more each year it seems.

I will have to say I do disagree with you on how divided we are in this country. I've travelled the world and was in Ghana, West Africa, for example. There is a country with 50 tribes and many of them hate each other. Somehow they are unified enough to stay as a country are in much better shape than their neighboring countries like Cote d'Ivore, Burkina Faso or even Nigeria (Nigeria has more resources, but more corruption, in-fighting). If you want to see a country with divisions, see a country where people speak over 30 languages plus dialects and these tribes have hated each other for 1000+ years and have fought wars. In fact, the whole African Slave trade thrived off of the animosity of tribal hatred as tribes would assist slave traders to sell off their enemies in war.

America is divided heavily on ideological lines, but it is more or less divided mainly in two.. And, this divide has caused many of the wars we have seen in the modern world, between Bureaucratic Socialists/Communists and people who support the Free Market/Capitalism/Nationalists. Everywhere around the world since the 20th century there have been Communist uprisings and subsequently rebellions to topple Communist regimes. The one here in the USA is particularly disturbing and the Communists are very aligned and united. However, those who hate Communism and who are aligned to the Free Market, the Constitution, the Republic and our country's foundations are equally as devoted, but have yet to truly feel any upheaval and threat to their safety and security. It will take such a threat and attack on their personal freedoms and well-beings to wake them up from the slumber that many successful, wealthy and coddled nations have during peace time. But, the winds of war are brewing and the Communist uprising in America is as bad and violent as that in many countries.

Cote d'Ivore was a very wealthy African country and the most successful stories in West Africa (Abdijan was called the Paris of Africa) until tribal animosity and clashing created horrible chaos. People sacrificed even their wealth and security and united among tribes to fight tribes they did not agree with. This led to one of the worst Civil Wars in Africa and decimated the country, turning it into the most impoverished , disease ridden and struggling countries in Africa now. So, it proves wealth and security alone does not necessarily prevent people who are devoted to deep ideologies (such as your tribal ancestry) to engaging in a conflict when your safety and security feels threatened.

I do not foresee this uprising as merely a fight to keep our gun rights. Patriots/Pro-Gunners around the country have seen the Communists/Anti-Gunners supporting riots at the national level. Statues of our Founding Fathers who have been destroyed, our flags are burned in the street and people are chanting to destroy our government, remove our police forces and replace them eventually with a more Brown Shirt Gestapo type force (don't believe the BS about unarmed social workers, what we saw in the Chaz zone of Seattle will go national), these people also are spewing racist rhetoric against white people (as white people are born inherently bad, privileged,etc), etc. Of course, the same leaders promoting armed rebellion of their Communist/Anti-Gunner minions in our cities who have burned, looted and destroyed them, are also demanding the disarmament of 100 million plus law abiding gun owners in the name of National Security. One Anti-Gunner candidate in particular says she wants a national gun registration system and a qualification system that proves people are safe to own guns. This is not far from what Adolf Hitler implemented in the 1938 German Weapons Act.

To me, whatever revolt, rebellion and uprising against the Communist/Anti-Gunners will be united under a feeling of a common threat to our security, freedoms, rights and heritage.. The Anti-Gunners/Communists are working hard to dismantle every foundation of our government from neutering the Supreme Court (by packing it with liberal justices), removing Filibuster, Electoral Vote, declaring PUerto Rico and DC as states to increase their voting bloc, etc. This is just beginning. The Pro-GUnner/Freedom Lovers will get a very rude awakening and finally see their coddled, comfortable and protected environment taken away from them. It will show you just how fragile, unstable and temporary any protection and stability in this world truly is. Our ancestors should attest to that, so should history of our country and result of our naivety.

I think we will awaken, but you could be right and we may die in our slumber. We could just be lazy, cowardly, fearful, uninterested, rather just sit drink beer and watch Netflix. Certainly we may think the Supreme Court will save us, voting in a new politician will save us, voting will save us , a vaccine will save us, a $2000/mo check will save our businesses and economy, etc. Americans always want a quick and easy fix to comfort their feebleness and coddled existence. We don't want to think we may have to endure the blood, toil and misery our ancestors had to even as recently as 80 years ago. That is not very long in the history of humanity.
 
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I don't totally disagree with you, although I do believe what I am saying will come true eventually. I also stated it may not come true and America will just die and collapse like so many other countries before it.. I am speaking only on my inclination of what I both hope and do think will eventually happen. I've studied in the past about the rise and falls of civilizations and empires. Indeed, there can be some correlations , but I also think in the nuclear age there is quite a few contrasts and comparing the Roman Empire, for example to the USA is not really possible. For one thing, if the USA falls it will not be the work of foreign nations destroying it, it will be the nation destroying itself from within. And, in fact, I can go as far to say the USA empire has already fallen. With the rise of nuclear powers like Russia, China and even India the USA is hardly an empire that rules the world when these countries have the power to wipe the USA off the map, just as the USA has the power to obliterate these countries as well. Even a little nation like France (whose empire is long gone) can wreck havoc on the USA with its nuclear arsenal. The nuclear age and its associated mutually assured destruction , in my opinion, somewhat has removed real true empires. Because, if any one nation expands its territorial prowess too much and starts to threaten the livelihood of another nuclear armed nation, it could result in a catastrophic nuclear war with no winners. Until there is technology that can render nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction useless and we revert back to conventional wars to expand our dominion, I don't see that changing any time soon.

We basically fight "Cold Wars" now and wars that will make the other country struggle financially and potentially diplomatically within its own dominion. In fact, I feel China has thoroughly been kicking our backside in this particular type of Cold War, especially with the China becoming a Communistic Capitalist nation and the USA becoming a Democrat Socialist nation that is veering to more Soviet style Communism more and more each year it seems.

I will have to say I do disagree with you on how divided we are in this country. I've travelled the world and was in Ghana, West Africa, for example. There is a country with 50 tribes and many of them hate each other. Somehow they are unified enough to stay as a country are in much better shape than their neighboring countries like Cote d'Ivore, Burkina Faso or even Nigeria (Nigeria has more resources, but more corruption, in-fighting). If you want to see a country with divisions, see a country where people speak over 30 languages plus dialects and these tribes have hated each other for 1000+ years and have fought wars. In fact, the whole African Slave trade thrived off of the animosity of tribal hatred as tribes would assist slave traders to sell off their enemies in war.

America is divided heavily on ideological lines, but it is more or less divided mainly in two.. And, this divide has caused many of the wars we have seen in the modern world, between Bureaucratic Socialists/Communists and people who support the Free Market/Capitalism/Nationalists. Everywhere around the world since the 20th century there have been Communist uprisings and subsequently rebellions to topple Communist regimes. The one here in the USA is particularly disturbing and the Communists are very aligned and united. However, those who hate Communism and who are aligned to the Free Market, the Constitution, the Republic and our country's foundations are equally as devoted, but have yet to truly feel any upheaval and threat to their safety and security. It will take such a threat and attack on their personal freedoms and well-beings to wake them up from the slumber that many successful, wealthy and coddled nations have during peace time. But, the winds of war are brewing and the Communist uprising in America is as bad and violent as that in many countries.

Cote d'Ivore was a very wealthy African country and the most successful stories in West Africa (Abdijan was called the Paris of Africa) until tribal animosity and clashing created horrible chaos. People sacrificed even their wealth and security and united among tribes to fight tribes they did not agree with. This led to one of the worst Civil Wars in Africa and decimated the country, turning it into the most impoverished , disease ridden and struggling countries in Africa now. So, it proves wealth and security alone does not necessarily prevent people who are devoted to deep ideologies (such as your tribal ancestry) to engaging in a conflict when your safety and security feels threatened.

I do not foresee this uprising as merely a fight to keep our gun rights. Patriots/Pro-Gunners around the country have seen the Communists/Anti-Gunners supporting riots at the national level. Statues of our Founding Fathers who have been destroyed, our flags are burned in the street and people are chanting to destroy our government, remove our police forces and replace them eventually with a more Brown Shirt Gestapo type force (don't believe the BS about unarmed social workers, what we saw in the Chaz zone of Seattle will go national), these people also are spewing racist rhetoric against white people (as white people are born inherently bad, privileged,etc), etc. Of course, the same leaders promoting armed rebellion of their Communist/Anti-Gunner minions in our cities who have burned, looted and destroyed them, are also demanding the disarmament of 100 million plus law abiding gun owners in the name of National Security. One Anti-Gunner candidate in particular says she wants a national gun registration system and a qualification system that proves people are safe to own guns. This is not far from what Adolf Hitler implemented in the 1938 German Weapons Act.

To me, whatever revolt, rebellion and uprising against the Communist/Anti-Gunners will be united under a feeling of a common threat to our security, freedoms, rights and heritage.. The Anti-Gunners/Communists are working hard to dismantle every foundation of our government from neutering the Supreme Court (by packing it with liberal justices), removing Filibuster, Electoral Vote, declaring PUerto Rico and DC as states to increase their voting bloc, etc. This is just beginning. The Pro-GUnner/Freedom Lovers will get a very rude awakening and finally see their coddled, comfortable and protected environment taken away from them. It will show you just how fragile, unstable and temporary any protection and stability in this world truly is. Our ancestors should attest to that, so should history of our country and result of our naivety.

I think we will awaken, but you could be right and we may die in our slumber. We could just be lazy, cowardly, fearful, uninterested, rather just sit drink beer and watch Netflix. Certainly we may think the Supreme Court will save us, voting in a new politician will save us, voting will save us , a vaccine will save us, a $2000/mo check will save our businesses and economy, etc. Americans always want a quick and easy fix to comfort their feebleness and coddled existence. We don't want to think we may have to endure the blood, toil and misery our ancestors had to even as recently as 80 years ago. That is not very long in the history of humanity.
We're probably more in agreement than disagreement, but I think we're going to be defeated unless we unite under some common message. In years past they had they had the Magna Charta and then the Declaration of Independence. Today, we can speculate all we like, but the left has a clear cut idea of what they want. We simply cannot articulate what we want and any significant number of us agree on it.

America is so divided that today I couldn't find where anybody was complaining that Chris Wallace got political with Donald Trump, almost demanding that he denounce white supremacists and militias. Denounce militias? Really? And, why wasn't Biden challenged to disavow BLM and antifa? They are associated with the looting, shooting, rioting and destruction of private property governed by DEMOCRAT mayors. We aren't even organized enough to mount an attack on the controlled news media for that outrageous action.

I think the potential for victory is within us, but we devote multiple paragraphs to complaining, yet when I said it would take me about twenty or so paragraphs to give an outline on how to stop firearm related deaths without gun control, there wasn't a single taker that wanted to take the time to weigh the alternative to just being reactionaries. We get the government we deserve. After this election, I hope that some of you will remember what we said on this thread. Apathy and indifference are not an option.
 
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We're probably more in agreement than disagreement, but I think we're going to be defeated unless we unite under some common message. In years past they had they had the Magna Charta and then the Declaration of Independence. Today, we can speculate all we like, but the left has a clear cut idea of what they want. We simply cannot articulate what we want and any significant number of us agree on it.

America is so divided that today I couldn't find where anybody was complaining that Chris Wallace got political with Donald Trump, almost demanding that he denounce white supremacists and militias. Denounce militias? Really? And, why wasn't Biden challenged to disavow BLM and antifa? They are associated with the looting, shooting, rioting and destruction of private property governed by DEMOCRAT mayors. We aren't even organized enough to mount an attack on the controlled news media for that outrageous action.

I think the potential for victory is within us, but we devote multiple paragraphs to complaining, yet when I said it would take me about twenty or so paragraphs to give an outline on how to stop firearm related deaths without gun control, there wasn't a single taker that wanted to take the time to weigh the alternative to just being reactionaries. We get the government we deserve. After this election, I hope that some of you will remember what we said on this thread. Apathy and indifference are not an option.
How about.. I don't know... The Constitution/original Bill of Rights?
 
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How about.. I don't know... The Constitution/original Bill of Rights?
As much as it pains me to say this, King George the Bush I stated that "the Constitution is just a "G.D. piece of paper" and he didn't abbreviate it. Unfortunately, for a number of reasons way beyond the scope of this thread, that is exactly what the Constitution has become. I spent 15 years fighting to "restore our Rights under the Constitution." Then I went to school and studied law (along with history). I want you to listen to what one of our forefathers stated:

"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it. " Letter by John Adams on 7 July 1775

George Washington, in his Farewell Address of 1796 said:

" If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield."

Now, let me use ONE example of this for you. The job of the United States Supreme Court is to interpret the law. In early court decisions, they voted "our way" on the Second Amendment. Later, the high Court would reinterpret their own decisions and over-rule them! This is called legislating from the bench. The Court had the power to do that, but they lacked the authority. Since we never called the Court out on a blatantly ILLEGAL practice, it ultimately destroyed the Constitution. The United States Supreme Court has since, over-ruled their own decisions, granted powers to Congress (an area I find NO authority for in our Constitution), and interpreted the meanings of words so that government takes your Rights and then claims jurisdiction over Rights that they have ZERO constitutional authority to infringe on. They rest their decisions on illegal actions. So, even if you could stack a court with Justices that had an inkling of what the Constitution means, they would never live long enough to right the wrongs.

Add to that, if I were to tell you about the original intent and WHY it was, most of the posters here would oppose the Constitution. Most people have been brainwashed and conditioned, Pavlovian style so that the principles upon which this country were founded will get you treated like a leper if you utter them in mainstream. I wish it were any other way, but the Constitution no longer exists except as a historical relic of a bygone era.
 
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I woke up this morning to read my e mails and got an alert that "Have Gun" reacted to my post. Upon checking, he had given my post the sad face. Believe me, I take no joy in being the bearer of bad news. But we have to be realistic.

ONE of our major problems (and it's not the only one) is that we allowed the courts to over-rule their own holdings. The way the law was intended to work is that Congress (House and Senate) pass a law, the President signs the law and, ultimately, the United States Supreme Court interprets the law. If, under original intent, we, the people, were dissatisfied with the law and it's meaning, we go back to the legislature (Congress, the legislative branch) and change the law. Instead, we allowed the United States Supreme Court to reinterpret their own rulings. Let's look at this logically:

Let us suppose that you do something that is completely legal today. You've followed the letter of the law, the spirit of the law, etc. Your lawyer said you dotted all the i s an crossed the t s. Then someone says you violated the law and the United States Supreme Court reexamines the law and decides they don't like their decision. So, they change the law. Even that prohibition on ex post facto laws in the Constitution cannot save you. Right now, the primary branch of government that is involved in legislation is NOT Congress. It is the judicial branch of government. Because of that issue alone (and there are more) we cannot reclaim our Constitution. And even among those here, they would oppose the original intent of the Constitution on one issue or another.
 

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“From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide.”
—Abraham Lincoln, 1838. Twenty-two years before the Civil War.
 
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I woke up this morning to read my e mails and got an alert that "Have Gun" reacted to my post. Upon checking, he had given my post the sad face. Believe me, I take no joy in being the bearer of bad news. But we have to be realistic.

ONE of our major problems (and it's not the only one) is that we allowed the courts to over-rule their own holdings. The way the law was intended to work is that Congress (House and Senate) pass a law, the President signs the law and, ultimately, the United States Supreme Court interprets the law. If, under original intent, we, the people, were dissatisfied with the law and it's meaning, we go back to the legislature (Congress, the legislative branch) and change the law. Instead, we allowed the United States Supreme Court to reinterpret their own rulings. Let's look at this logically:

Let us suppose that you do something that is completely legal today. You've followed the letter of the law, the spirit of the law, etc. Your lawyer said you dotted all the i s an crossed the t s. Then someone says you violated the law and the United States Supreme Court reexamines the law and decides they don't like their decision. So, they change the law. Even that prohibition on ex post facto laws in the Constitution cannot save you. Right now, the primary branch of government that is involved in legislation is NOT Congress. It is the judicial branch of government. Because of that issue alone (and there are more) we cannot reclaim our Constitution. And even among those here, they would oppose the original intent of the Constitution on one issue or another.
THe Resister, you are basically foretelling America's demise and it is not necessarily wrong. I could only hope you are, but you make good arguments as to why it could be the doomsday prophesy of our nation. I do think a lot of us right-wingers are just out for ourselves, tend to keep to ourselves, wont help our fellow citizen and basically as long as things are going good for us we rather just be left alone , do our work , pay our taxes and be good citizens , but not necessarily help out or join together in such a time of chaos. The attitude of "IT WILL BE OK" is the worst poison that has afflicted the American psyche for generations even in WWII.. But, it is my feeling that people will more fiercely fight to protect freedom than fight to overthrow it with a radical ideology. This is another reason among many others, Americans were fierce opponents to even the ideologically radicalized Japanese and Nazis.

I feel like Communists/Antifa/Anti-Gunners of today are much more in line with ideological based Nazis of 1930s. Indeed, today the worst enemies lie within our own borders and the greatest threat to our sovereignty is sitting within our government buildings in our nation's and state capitals. The riots, looting and attacks remind me so much of what I have read about Kristallnacht and the activities of these Anti-Gunner/Communist zealots seems very reminiscent of the Nazi brown-shirts. The valiant youth had a significant impact on implementing many of the fascist decrees of the Nazi party as well.

That is the one very worrisome situation I have is the ANti-Gunners/Leftists/Communists are much more united and you can tell by the size of their rallies, how organized their protests are and the fact they have literally formed groups of people who now seem to collaborate with Anti-Gunner/Communist politicians and even have their moral and financial support.

Too many Pro-Gunners/Patriots think this country being overrun by Communists/Leftists/ANti-Gunners is a big joke and could never possibly happen. They believe the Supreme Court , voting, Constitution, etc will protect them not knowing ruthless politicians and radical zealots like the Anti-Gunners/Communists have a long history of butchering laws, checks and balances and usurping the authority and foundations of a country. Look at the Tsar of Russia whose imperial rule was overthrown by communists who were unified at the national level and overthrew a dynasty that lasted since the 1500s and if we considered how the entire Slavic empire was basically turned into the Soviet UNion it was the end of 1000+ years of imperial rule under a unified radical Socialist/Communist authoritarian ideology. This ideology is not far off from what we see with radical leftists/Anti-Gunners in our country. No one who starts a revolution claims they will be a ruthless controlling autocratic dictator from the beginning. THat is what people think they are fighting against until they realize after the dictatorship is established that the new leadership is even worse than the old . We saw it with Lenin in Soviet Union, Mao Zedong in CHina, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Fidel Castro in Cuba, etc. All of the so-called "Freedom Fighters" ended up being more corrupt, ruthless and oppressive than the regimes they overthrew. Yet, somehow, they were suppose to liberate people from the wrongdoings of their society.

The only difference I can see is that modern day radical Leftists/Anti-Gunners are basically gluttonous, well-fed and privileged and not truly fighting an oppressive and authoritarian regime. But, even the German people were not significantly oppressed under the previous rule and literally with open arms embraced radical Nazi ideology and voted and supported the Nazi regime and totalitarian dictatorship gleefully. Of course, Germans at that time were struggling and impoverished due to the Depression and hardships of decimation after WWI. But, even as the economy recovered their fanatical ideology and belief system inspired them to sacrifice all their success for their belief of supreme power of their government and race. What I see today is a group of radical, dogmatic and brainwashed people who I think are willing to destroy anyone who goes against their ideology and they would support destroying this entire country to fulfill their ideals.

All I have to say is your view is Americans are just too complacent, naive and fearful to ever stand up and AMerica will die because of it. This could be true and maybe those of us who don't have our head in the sand shoudl consider fleeing the country if all we see around us is our fellow Americans submitting, obeying and allowing our rights, freedoms and liberties to be destroyed without any resistance.

I feel though that if these radical leftists/Anti-Gunners are willing to set America on fire for their deranged and twisted belief system and unify over it, that once right-wingers/Pro-Gunners start to experience real oppression (unlike what these Leftist radical perceive is oppression), there will be a new mindset to the Pro-Gunner/Conservative American.

As of now, it almost feels like many Pro-Gunners/COnservatives look down on their fellow man, will not lend a helping hand and that any call to unify is met with reservation. I feel we don't even trust one another and look at each other with disdain and scrutiny. However, like with Pearl Harbor and the simple-mindedness and naivety Americans faced in Pre-WWII America where we were sick and tired of "European Wars" and wanted nothing more to do with it, it will take watching the blood of our sons and daughters be poured in our safe coddled suburbs. It will take men with uniforms and guns (some may be wearing blue uniforms, who knows?), demanding that we turn all our guns under Executive Order and if we question the decree we will be arrested immediately and shot dead if we resist.

If people are willing to burn down America over police brutality against black people (which only accounts for like 0.0006% deaths of Black Americans) of deaths of black people in this country , then I think the dissolution of our 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendment rights will create a much larger rebellion and lead to a Right Wing Revolt.

I do believe we will have a RIght Wing Revolt but like in the past, Americans (esp conservatives/Pro-GUnners) get too comfortable with their easy situation and pretend that there is no danger lurking anywhere else within our country. They think the evil spirits of this world that possess and corrupt mankind take a rest and that their freedoms are guaranteed and our laws and government institutions are infallible.

I really hope all us Pro-Gunners/Conservative/Right-Wingers can come together, unite and treat each other as brothers/sisters and a community, rather than the every man for himself mentality I see. We definitely must put aside our differences and form unity. Just like you can see 100,000 people fighting for the cause of Communism/Socialism/Anarchy from the Anti-Gunner/Leftist crowd we need 100,000s of Pro-Gunners/Right-Wingers/Patriots to come together and have rallies.. Unlike the Anti-Gunners who burn the flag, destroy, loot and promote carnage, we will be fighting for the opposite, law , order, freedom, civil rights and protecting the foundations of our country.

THe old slogan "WE THE PEOPLE" really doesn't mean much right now.. This has got to change.




We need to go from this type of America:



To this America:
 
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I woke up this morning to read my e mails and got an alert that "Have Gun" reacted to my post. Upon checking, he had given my post the sad face. Believe me, I take no joy in being the bearer of bad news. But we have to be realistic.
To be clear, the sad face emoji was not condemnation of your post, but an acknowledgment of what you were saying was largely true and unfortunate.
 
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I've been watching the debate all night, but haven't heard anything 2A related. (Though there were wife and kiddo interruptions, but don't think I missed anything on this score yet.) It is almost over, but nothing yet.
The powers that be decided it would be more important to shout about Hunter Biden than the issues. That's bad news for courting potential issues based voters. I'd rather hear the candidates speak uninterrupted than bark over each other, but that doesn't grab headlines like this train wreck did.
 

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