Beware of White Supremacist Gun Forums

[gunnails]

I feel that there is no real need to ban linking to stormfront, the first I ever heard of them was today, doesn't seem like there are going to be many people linking to it any way except by accident or to maybe a relevant point. And there may conceivably someday be a good reason to link to stormfront or discuss them.

By the way in the spirit of know your enemy I browsed the site for a few pages. Seems like the place to go if you want to learn about white supremacist and there thinking.

I am all for holding the individual responsible for there posts and letting the individual police themselves rather then have black and white rules.

 

[4Freedom]

I do respect El Gringo Loco and for him speaking against the Stormfront webswite. However, I do disagree with him about that the Stormfront people are "More Racist" then people of other cultures. That is simply not true at all.

I think El Gringo Loco is closing his eyes to the Rwandan Genocide, which was one of the most bloody and horrific genocides/ethnic cleansings in the 20th century, and probably will be worse than anything we experience in the 21st century. To say that whites are the only ones limited to racial superiority feelings or who have the desires to exterminate a race is definately not true.

As for me, I come from Jewish background, and I have been called racist names by both white and black supremacists. I, personally , have seen black power groups, like that led by Louis Farrakhan, that have called for the extermination of all white people, especially the Jews. Farrakhan himself said that he believed Hitler was one of the greatest leaders in history. Perhaps, many of us forgot the Sister Souljah moment during the LA Riots? She said blacks must stop killing one another and kill all the white people. For, the only time in my life, I agreed with Bill CLinton, where he condemned her and said, "This is the same thing David Duke would say, except the other way around."

As much as I hate Stromfront and think it and all its members should be thrown off the web, or earth for that matter, I cannot say their attitude is limited to white people. Genocide is not limited to white people. Hatred is universal and people around the world seem to exhibit simliar traits. The holocaust in Europe, slavery in USA all happen close enough to us and not that long ago, so we think more about it.

As far as the native americans, there was tribal fighting amongst themselves as well. Also, enemy tribes hated each other so much, they would even help the white settlers rid themeslves of their enemy tribe. In Africa, chiefs of African tribes would help assist slavetraders in capturing members of their enemy tribes and would sell or trade them to the traders. To blame all this entirely on "evil white men" is very wrong and historically inaccurate.

If I had power over this thread, I would like to keep this conversation about the evils of Stormfront, not the evils of white people. As a matter of fact, in countries like Pakistan, Adolf Hitler is revered as one of the greatest leaders in history. I have talked to many Pakistanis who said he did great things by killing the JEws or they deny the holocaust happen altogether. A lot of this olde world racism you see today is quite alive in the Asia/Middle East and is not talked about.

Actually, David Duke, the unofficial "co-founder" of Stormfront, the contemporary of Don Black, has travelled to Syria and Iran and is promoting ethnic cleansing of the Jewish people. The people he is associating with are people with darker skin. So, Stormfront's agenda is not particularly just white supremacy, it is mostly directed against Jews, Blacks and Mexicans. The site however is very pro-Arab/pro-Persian. Even some other Asian members are accepted. There are many arabic/asian members, with dark skin, who are members. If you go through the site you will see their posts are there. They even have a Japanese Stormfront thread.

Examples that nazi-type racism is not limited to white people:

 

[ZachS]

Exactly! I really doubt there was ever an original thought or brain trust at stormfront that would be missed..

Ain't that the truth...

I volunteered for a project yesterday that required me to listen to a "brainy" white supremacist/anti-semite for nearly two hours. He definitely had some original thoughts, but they were all in the "internet conspiracy theorist" genre... and they got my half-Jewish blood boiling hot enough that I had to leave the building to avoid getting sucked into the game he was playing with the overwhelmingly hostile audience. Part of <broken link removed>

 

[el gringo loco]

As for the country club racism I think that class-ism trumps racism at the good old boys clubs these days..

I would say that most of the perceived problems with race relations, perceived inequity, treatment by police etc. have a lot more to do with class than race. What I meant by country club racism was that it was more passive, whereas hate groups actively seek out ways to mess with people of color.

I do respect El Gringo Loco and for him speaking against the Stormfront webswite. However, I do disagree with him about that the Stormfront people are "More Racist" then people of other cultures. That is simply not true at all.

After reading this comment, I reviewed what I had previously written and can see that perhaps I was not as clear as I would have liked to have been.

You're right. One needs not look any further than the tribal divisions in Africa or the Ethnic strife in the middle east. All kinds of people give in to xenophobia. However, in the first world, Whitey is just about the only group that has organizations that have developed with the sole purpose of advancing one group of people as the so-called pure and master race at the expense of all others. Few other ethnicities have groups that view other races as sub-human and seek to "cleanse" the earth of all others.

My point was that the Nazi subculture within these hate groups is designed to promote one race over ALL others. That, I feel, is a rarity. The Rwandan genocide was perpetrated against ONE group not of a certain tribe, not all other peoples. I was not trying to say that white bigots are more bigoted than other bigots. That would be stereotyping white bigots and a little bigoted for me to do, don't you think?

My point was (and this is my opinion) that in first world countries, where tribal issues are not a driving factor, there are few examples of organized bigotry that present as great a threat as the neo-nazi or, historically, the nazi movement. I feel this movement is dangerous because it is so broad in its hate. I was not saying that genocide and genocidal intentions are not within the domain of other groups, simply that the genocidal ideations of this group is extremely broad. Then again, maybe I see the bigotry of these groups as so bad because it is coming from people who look like me, claim the same ancestry as me, and live in the same country that I do.

As to David Duke and the rest cozying up to other Jew haters...."the enemy of my enemy is my friend." If we had a significant (ie. larger than the jewish population) arab or middle-eastern population here (particularly in the south), I bet that these folks would not be so quick to go have their photo taken overseas. Besides, Jews are a favorite target the world over. Hitler was allied with Japan, but I guarantee you that he viewed the Japanese as less than human.

 

[NK777]

Agreed!

Joey if you want you can use the word filter to break links posted on this site. If you target the whateveritis.com and change it to display 'neverwork.com' or something like that it usually disables the link. At least a long time ago with an old forum script I was running on my website it effectively broke the links if posted.

Anyways just an idea for you.

 

[buick455]

I'm surprised and a little saddened by how many judgmental members there seem to be on this thread and also a bit surprised about how many people can make claims with what appears to be very little knowledge of history.

from a historical standpoint there have been MANY cultures they felt entitled to commit genocide against more than one race or culture

And there are many cultures within the US borders that have actively chosen to segregate themselves from other races but of course those minorities are not racist they are only trying to preserve their culture.

 

[clearconscience]

I sure as heck didn't say "white people" were more racist than any other group. I think the majority of other nationalities are actually more racist than white people are. There's a small portion of white people that are racist, it's just that only white people get the stigma of being a racist and other nationalities just have pride for their heritage. What ever sense that makes.

And now that obama is in the house every white person is a racist.....Unless However you back obama and his communist/racist teachings. I hate obama and I can honestly say it has nothing to do with him being black, where he came from, or what his birth cert may or may not say.

 

[Just Jim]

Who are the real racist in our society? Are they the people who have run the big cities for the last 70 years and kept minorities in the slums or the people who voted them in?

I judge a man by the content of his Character not the color of his skin. The people who have run the big cities are without character for what they have done to us all by dividing the races.

jj

 

[el gringo loco]

I really wasn't trying to have a debate as to the history or relative severity of the different types of bigotry in the world when I started this thread. My intent was to make folks aware that there is a neo-nazi website that pretends to be a gun forum. By visiting that site, you are supporting its mission and enabling a hate group in its quest for white supremacy. I was simply trying to make people aware of the dangers of supporting a website provided by a group that is trying to align itself with mainstream American gun enthusiasts. When our interests, intentionally or unintentionally, are associated with the goals of a group like that, we lose credibility in the eyes of the public. As gun-owners we need to understand that not every one who attempts to ally themselves with our cause is going to help us.

 

[4Freedom]

I understand what you are saying in your last post EL Gringo Loco and I agree with you there. Its true, that Stormfront and a few of these other neo-nazi sites are posing as legitimate gun forums to suck people in and then try to influence them with their agenda. This definately should be made known to people, their true intentions. Many of our gun control laws we have today are based on nazi-era gun control laws that sought to keep guns out of the hands of Jews. Stormfront has a very anti-2A, pro-socialist and bigoted view that goes against the good will of American citizens and gun owners in general. However, Farrakhan and Nation of Islam movement or the New Black Panther Party are not far off, either. Going, to either of these sites, it seems the members all have the same mindset and use the same language, just different shades of skin.

I think you have good intentions, but you made a few comments that may have caused a few people, to misunderstand. Some may have thought you were considering white people to have more bigotry than others. Whether or not you meant it, I think thats how it came across to some.

And , it is true what some other person wrote on the thread, that white people are probably less racist than a majority of other ethnic groups on the earth. The only problem is, that they seem to draw more attention, probably because countries with white populations are more affluent and noticeable.

If even 1/10th the stuff happened in USA, that happens in many countries around the world, it would be like Armageddon for our leftist media.

 

[Saint]

I do not judge folks on the color of their skin,that whould be like hating the sky for being blue;and thats just stupid. My wife is half german and half asian,and I myself have a bit of native american blood in me.
Hatemongers are fools in my eyes,and in my opinion they can go **** themselves.