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[bbbass]

Amen to that. It's not as black and white as it would seem.

Actually I think the mask thing is a good example. It used to be that if you were the one sick, you could be quarantined to protect others. But you had to be sick. Now, we are all being treated as sick. If I'm in a vulnerable population then I should (if I chose) wear a good mask and take precautions to protect MYSELF. Here is where rights come in...do I have the right to force others to make me safe? Personally, I don't think so. My main issue is that we are not wearing masks to protect ourselves, we are PURELY wearing masks to protect others. For example, airlines are not allowing vented masks (and since they are private companies I 100% agree they can do this if they wish). One requires two layers of fabric (so neck gaiters are not allowed). My N95 masks for P100 filter systems are very good...for me. But because they are both vented I am not allowed to use what will best protect me because now I'm tasked with protecting others, placing myself at more risk.

Sounds like a gun control argument doesn't it?

I wasn't in favor of masks, or limitations of any kind. Since I'm in the highly vulnerable segment of population, I figured it was MY duty to protect myself. But the incident I mentioned above changed my mind. So I wear a mask to protect others, just in case. It's prudent. It's respect for others. Freedom comes with responsibility.

Rather than gun control argument, maybe a more apt comparison would be to flu vaccine?

 

[Burnhaven]

We force others to make us safe by denying them the "right" to drive drunk ( and a million other ways) . I always feel that for those who want "maximum freedom" ( read, no laws ), the purchase of a personal island or a move to Somalia are the best bet.

 

[4Freedom]

America has got a thug problem, not a cop problem... They try too damn hard to peacefully acquire these drugged out violent maniacs who are hellbent on killing them . Some how liberal city councils will honor the thugs and chastise the cops.. In any other rational and sane society these guys would have been gunned down pretty quickly if they attempted their actions on police. I remember when I was in Africa, if you assault a cop there they will pump you full of lead .. No peaceful acquisition or DA to go arrest the cops and people to make a memorial about you being a victim of police brutality. In fact, in a place like Africa, sometimes you are so happy to see the cops because if you steal from someone it wasn't uncommon for the locals to chase you down, beat you and then necklace you with tires and burn you alive.. Many of these criminals were only hopeful they could be arrested before the locals got ahold of them first. The protocol I hear in most of Africa, is if the cops arrested you for theft more than 2 times, the third time they don't bother arresting you and let the locals deal with you.

I guess I am just aggravated that we go so much out of our way to accommodate and memorialize the scum of our society. If they are going to do dangerous drugs that give them super-human powers, get ballistic and get violent they should accept the rewards for their actions. A lot of criminals also will resist arrest to the death before going back to jail. Somehow, the cop is responsible for putting his life on the line to preserve this kind gentle thug's life, so he can go out and murder, rape and steal from more people.

Right now, Garrot Rolfe is facing murder charges and life imprisonment, which will be a painful death sentence for him in a Georgia prison for basically doing his job and defending him and his partner against a violent drugged out maniac who beat up him and his partner (giving him a concussion) and then pointed a weapon at him. I am reading Atlanta PD is losing officers in droves. Portland, Oregon is also losing a good chunk of its police force.

 

[WillametteWill]

America has got a thug problem, not a cop problem...

Mike drop.

 

[Burnhaven]

Seems like the cops have a media problem , their side of the story isn't getting out there enough....I've never been a police officer so I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but if (taking Jacob Blake for example ) if I wanted to stop him from fleeing the scene I don't think I would close with him to within a foot or two unless I was ready willing and able to take him down without my firearm..... otherwise if I was bound and determined to stop him I think I would have tried to position myself 10 ft away and taken a good center of mass shot and then see what happens.... if that doesn't stop him you can try to take out a tire or just call in a code 9 Set up a roadblock

 

[po18guy]

Seems like the cops have a media problem , their side of the story isn't getting out there enough....I've never been a police officer so I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but if (taking Jacob Blake for example ) if I wanted to stop him from fleeing the scene I don't think I would close with him to within a foot or two unless I was ready willing and able to take him down without my firearm..... otherwise if I was bound and determined to stop him I think I would have tried to position myself 10 ft away and taken a good center of mass shot and then see what happens.... if that doesn't stop him you can try to take out a tire or just call in a code 9 Set up a roadblock

Media is anti-police and has been since the 60s at least. There is no advocacy group, such as Blue Lives Matter. Note the crucial difference: Blue is the uniform, not the race.

 

[Burnhaven]

Generalizations are always risky... I'll bet there are some fair-minded journalists out there in the mainstream media that would accept invitations for police ride alongs,... especially valuable would be ride alongs where you're liable to run into some doped up suspects...

 

[4Freedom]

Generalizations are always risky... I'll bet there are some fair-minded journalists out there in the mainstream media that would accept invitations for police ride alongs,... especially valuable would be ride alongs where you're liable to run into some doped up suspects...

Good journalists do exist and you see a lot of it by these smaller independent journalists, such as guys like Andy Ngo. However, these type of journalists are overshadowed by the huge media/broadcasting network moguls and their Communist/Anti-Police/Anti-Conservative propaganda media outlets.

 

[Alexx1401]

I'll never forget when I lived in the Sacramento area and the Sheriff went on talk radio to say "my deputies have a right to go home to their families at night."
I wholeheartedly agree. Somehow we have to find a way to avoid the Jacob Blake 7 shots in the back. William Bar claimed less than a dozen blacks were shot to death per year by law enforcement. The data actually shows 235 last year, but don't get me started on Barr.

You made sure to leave out one part of that supposed quote. He said UN ARMED blacks shot by Police. Nice job of leaving that out.
Of the 235 all of them were of course just walking to school and shot because, well you know, they were black.
Of the unarmed how many of them put their hands up and said OK I give up, just to be shot? All of them of course correct?
Then people wonder why we have this mess as they promote the lies the media loves to tell.

 

[Burnhaven]

"As a proposition, who can quarrel with the proposition 'Black lives matter'? But they're not interested in Black lives, they're interested in props. A small number of Blacks that are killed by police during conflict with police, usually less than a dozen a year who they can use as props to achieve a much broader political agenda," Barr said.

Barr compares coronavirus stay-at-home orders to slavery, dismisses Black Lives Matter

After slavery, Barr said stay-at-home orders were the "greatest intrusion on civil liberties in American history."

www.cbsnews.com

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with 1,097 civilians, 225 of whom were Black, killed by police in 2022.

www.statista.com

 

[4Freedom]

"As a proposition, who can quarrel with the proposition 'Black lives matter'? But they're not interested in Black lives, they're interested in props. A small number of Blacks that are killed by police during conflict with police, usually less than a dozen a year who they can use as props to achieve a much broader political agenda," Barr said.

Barr compares coronavirus stay-at-home orders to slavery, dismisses Black Lives Matter

After slavery, Barr said stay-at-home orders were the "greatest intrusion on civil liberties in American history."

www.cbsnews.com

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with 1,097 civilians, 225 of whom were Black, killed by police in 2022.

www.statista.com

How many black people been shot by black people in the same time period? I know that is not something I bet you would want to discuss.. More black people die in Chicago in one year at the hands of criminals of their own race than an entire year of police killings nationwide.

Where's the outrage? Where's the protests? How come that is so acceptable , but somehow some violent criminal getting shot dead or crippled now requires nationwide mourning, streets named after him and everyone to eulogize the person.

Guess what, you are getting your wish and police are quitting in droves. There is now a huge police shortage in all our cities across the USA and this is only beginning of the blue flu we are seeing.

I don't see why black people aren't rejoicing in the streets seeing how safe they are now from being murdered by police. You think they would be having champagne parties and stuff in every major city across the country?

Chicago Tribune

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[American123]

Police have plenty of tools - what they need is judges and prosecuting attorneys to quit being giant turds and letting scum out and plea bargain down. The revolving door justice system is a joke. I'd advocate for a more terminal solution, but society tends to view that as extreme.

 

[Alexx1401]

How many black people been shot by black people in the same time period? I know that is not something I bet you would want to discuss.. More black people die in Chicago in one year at the hands of criminals of their own race than an entire year of police killings nationwide.

Where's the outrage? Where's the protests? How come that is so acceptable , but somehow some violent criminal getting shot dead or crippled now requires nationwide mourning, streets named after him and everyone to eulogize the person.

Guess what, you are getting your wish and police are quitting in droves. There is now a huge police shortage in all our cities across the USA and this is only beginning of the blue flu we are seeing.

I don't see why black people aren't rejoicing in the streets seeing how safe they are now from being murdered by police. You think they would be having champagne parties and stuff in every major city across the country?

Chicago Tribune

www.chicagotribune.com

Sadly many who are the new victims here are both victims of the violence they are now seeing put on them since LEO's will not help, and they were victims of the lies they were told over and over. Many were told every day all Cops hate them and hunt them. So they join protests. Now they call 911 and no one comes so the scum are given free range to make them victims. Sadly the people get the government they deserve.

 

[Burnhaven]

"How many black people been shot by black people in the same time period?"
I don't see how that's relevant ,we're talking about law enforcement ,the tools they need, And why they need them

 

[American123]

"How many black people been shot by black people in the same time period?"
I don't see how that's relevant ,we're talking about law enforcement ,the tools they need, And why they need them

Since police don't have magic wands to make people obey the law, they are issued various tools already. The tools are very effective for the majority of the public, in fact, the majority of the public really don't need policing, it's those slow learners that commit crimes AND ignore the verbal commands that wind up getting shot and learning the hard way. Hard to be sympathetic for people that stupid.

Best thing you can do to help a police officers is encourage cultures and communities to not be loser dads and mom's and to raise their children with a shred of decency. Most problems police deal with could have been fixed earlier. We are continueing to see the culture of absent fathers have negative interactions with police, and it isn't surprising. Don't look at how to make police better - look at how as a society it has degraded so much that police have an never ending supply of negative interactions with the public.

 

[WillametteWill]

A small number of Blacks that are killed by police during conflict with police, usually less than a dozen a year who they can use as props to achieve a much broader political agenda," Barr said.

Barr's comments usually refer to the number of unarmed black who are shot by police. I haven't see the full video from the quote you listed but here is one of his quotes on the subject:
"There are many whites who are shot unarmed by police. Now, those numbers, as I said, have been going down in the past. Five years ago it was 38 African-Americans who were unarmed were shot by police. Thirty-eight in a year. This past year it was 10. Of those six were physically attacking the police when they were shot. So you have to put it in perspective."

So perhaps he misspoke in the case you are referring to and was incorrect. The narrative has been focused on unarmed number and this is what many have been speaking to for the past several months. The tools that are the focus of the thread does not matter what color a suspect is. But this is a good example (not by you, but media) how what actually happened and what the officers tried to do to safely effect an arrest is irreverent when it is splashed on social media and the six o'clock news. We don't see the hundreds of daily successes around the country were the existing tools work. Because the current tools are being restricted and scrutinized, they will be used less frequently when they would be beneficial and more officers and suspects will be injured or killed.

It goes back to what many here have said, it's the behavior of the criminals that is causing this and the complete acceptance of their bad behavior. The NFL has approved the name Michael Brown to be worn on player's helmets as a "victim of systemic racism." The guy who committed a strong arm robbery on camera and then tried to take an officer's gun away and was shot (one of the "unarmed" people shot). Yet when the Dallas Cowboys wanted to honor the five officers killed after a BLM rally they were not allowed to. The tools generally work, the media just explodes (often with false narratives and information) when they don't. The thugs (of all races, genders, etc.) are feeling more and more empowered and pushing the boundaries. More bad things will happen sorry to say. Thanks again for staring this thread and the conversation.

 

[4Freedom]

Barr's comments usually refer to the number of unarmed black who are shot by police. I haven't see the full video from the quote you listed but here is one of his quotes on the subject:
"There are many whites who are shot unarmed by police. Now, those numbers, as I said, have been going down in the past. Five years ago it was 38 African-Americans who were unarmed were shot by police. Thirty-eight in a year. This past year it was 10. Of those six were physically attacking the police when they were shot. So you have to put it in perspective."

So perhaps he misspoke in the case you are referring to and was incorrect. The narrative has been focused on unarmed number and this is what many have been speaking to for the past several months. The tools that are the focus of the thread does not matter what color a suspect is. But this is a good example (not by you, but media) how what actually happened and what the officers tried to do to safely effect an arrest is irreverent when it is splashed on social media and the six o'clock news. We don't see the hundreds of daily successes around the country were the existing tools work. Because the current tools are being restricted and scrutinized, they will be used less frequently when they would be beneficial and more officers and suspects will be injured or killed.

It goes back to what many here have said, it's the behavior of the criminals that is causing this and the complete acceptance of their bad behavior. The NFL has approved the name Michael Brown to be worn on player's helmets as a "victim of systemic racism." The guy who committed a strong arm robbery on camera and then tried to take an officer's gun away and was shot (one of the "unarmed" people shot). Yet when the Dallas Cowboys wanted to honor the five officers killed after a BLM rally they were not allowed to. The tools generally work, the media just explodes (often with false narratives and information) when they don't. The thugs (of all races, genders, etc.) are feeling more and more empowered and pushing the boundaries. More bad things will happen sorry to say. Thanks again for staring this thread and the conversation.

I'm telling you... If anyone isn't sick by this insitutiontalized racism against white people and permissiveness of criminality (especially among the black population) they just got their heads buried up their backsides.. Venerating people like Jacob Blake, who sexually molested a woman, stole her car and then started reaching for a weapon in his car which he could have easily used to blow the brains out of both officers (happens much more fruquently than the Socialist/Anti-Gunnner media will let you know) tells me our society is degrading into a state of anarchy and lawlessness. Yes, we think somehow officers who risk their life to protect us from some of most dangerous and ruthless form of human life on our planet are all the resurgence of the KKK or Neo-Nazi operatives is how ludicrous, brainwashed and simple-minded our generation of braindead race-baited, mainstream media/internet (Sh*tter, Facebooger, Instascam, Gookle, etc, etc) propaganda programmed zealots have become.

Black people are very unlikely to be murdered by police, but much more likely to be murdered by a fellow black person.. But, somehow white police officers are considered the most dangerous and oppressive entity in this country..

As I said, there is a massive amount of fabrication of reality and distortion of facts and statistics to perpetuate an agenda for the Socialist/Communist/Anti-Gunners who use race baiting, rebellion against authorities of a civil society as fuel for their case of totalitarian revolution. Submissive subjects who feel they are being oppressed make great servants of the cause of a ruthless and bloodthirst political party.

History..Rinse.. Wash .. Repeat.

 

[Burnhaven]

Seems like the focus should be on why so many black men are in jail, why there is so much black on black crime, drug use etc. Higher level societal issues rather than focusing on rare situations like Jacob Blake. Unfortunately cell phone cameras aren't capturing that 10,000 foot view.
The way globalization and automation are going, I don't have high hopes for training many of these people so they can get jobs.
It reminds me of a Kurt Vonnegut book from the 1950s called Player Piano.
Society had reached a level of automation where a large segment was not needed to work, and was NEVER going to be needed to work. Predictions I'm reading now are that the current economic trends are different and the economy is unlikely to grow enough to employ those being displaced. ( in "new" fields)
This leads to segments of the population being on permanent government income. How you keep people in such a state from spiraling into drug abuse would be a big challenge --- apparently they did it on Star Trek

 

[American123]

Seems like the focus should be on why so many black men are in jail, why there is so much black on black crime, drug use etc. Higher level societal issues rather than focusing on rare situations like Jacob Blake. Unfortunately cell phone cameras aren't capturing that 10,000 foot view.
The way globalization and automation are going, I don't have high hopes for training many of these people so they can get jobs.
It reminds me of a Kurt Vonnegut book from the 1950s called Player Piano.
Society had reached a level of automation where a large segment was not needed to work, and was NEVER going to be needed to work. Predictions I'm reading now are that the current economic trends are different and the economy is unlikely to grow enough to employ those being displaced. ( in "new" fields)
This leads to segments of the population being on permanent government income. How you keep people in such a state from spiraling into drug abuse would be a big challenge --- apparently they did it on Star Trek

That answer is already pretty much known. It's multifaceted, and it also is very inconvenient for the people who want to blame everything on supposed racism.

1) Extremely high single motherhood birth rate - extremely high rate of absent fathers during child's upbringing
2) Welfare state encouraging single motherhood, irresponsibility, and remaining in poverty.
3) Cultural norms not (seriously) valuing education.
4) Rap glorifying gang lifestyle and drug use.
5) Being told that they will be 'held back' by society, even if they do try to succeed.
6) White liberals using them as a political axe, but in doing so, requires keeping them ignorant because otherwise they would see through the BS. - Why do you think they try to ignore, demonize, and "other" conservative black speakers so much.

That poison cocktail would be enough to sink any group of people.

 

[Burnhaven]

I have now won the Northwest firearms forum award called can't stop.