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I could be wrong, but I think they dropped the piston version.They have both a piston and DI version.
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I could be wrong, but I think they dropped the piston version.They have both a piston and DI version.
Not really a piston fan but I'd do the MARS-L Piston for the quick change barrel feature alone.LMT Mars -L piston or any MARS has my vote hands down. I would take a good look at LMT lineup if you haven't. I believe it would fit your need for running whatever barrel later on down the road , swapping calibers as well, running suppressed if you choose, and for some reason you even wanted to swap to DI later you could.
I'm sure others will chime in but I see this isn't on your list and would take a look.
Edit : as I see your only looking on the list.
Out of the ones on your list the I have ran the HK, POF, and LWRC. and SCAR 16, 17 heavy. Out of those the LWRC just fits me better. I'm a little bit of an H&K fanboy but to be honest was a let down. SCARS impo wouldn't be on this list and are overrated but decent resell value. These are only my experiences as others may very.
I haven't had an opportunity to run an sword yet however, would be intrigued to. Hope this helps.
Maybe, don't care anymore. Just figured I'd mention it for someone doing some research into piston rifles.I could be wrong, but I think they dropped the piston version.
I am also a Sig fanboy.I want to badly to like the MCX, but then saw this
Yes I agree that was a concern but I'm pretty confident that Sig addressed the issue and seem to have provided a good fix.I want to badly to like the MCX, but then saw this
That was a tremendous knowledge dump! Thank you!If I was starting from scratch, with your requirements I would strongly consider the PWS, Bren 2 and LWRC. I personally if I had been starting from scratch and had the knowledge I do now, would give very strong consideration to going with a PWS build instead of the LWRC.
Oh...lighter is better but for what it's worth,the Galil ACE gen II in 16 inch is a real beast at eight pounds 12.6 oz, plus add optics and ammo, etc...in the neighborhood of 11 pounds.That was a tremendous knowledge dump! Thank you!
If you have time, could you expand on your thoughts regarding the PWS versus the LWRC? I have shot both but neither supressed. Both are the bee's knees but I shot them like a year or more apart so I don't have the back-to-back experience.
Weight is a little bit of a consideration for me right now at least as I have an injured weak-side shoulder. It looks like the PWS is half a pound lighter but I don't want that to be a limiting factor as I've been told I will get my arm strength back.
Weight and cost is why Israel moved on.Oh...lighter is better but for what it's worth,the Galil ACE gen II in 16 inch is a real beast at eight pounds 12.6 oz, plus add optics and ammo, etc...in the neighborhood of 11 pounds.
If you can hoist it, this one's a real peach to shoot in 5.56 NATO but I'd hate to have to walk it too much
Since you mention weight, I would shy away from the Galil. As mentioned by Knute, they are a bit of a pig.That was a tremendous knowledge dump! Thank you!
If you have time, could you expand on your thoughts regarding the PWS versus the LWRC? I have shot both but neither supressed. Both are the bee's knees but I shot them like a year or more apart so I don't have the back-to-back experience.
Weight is a little bit of a consideration for me right now at least as I have an injured weak-side shoulder. It looks like the PWS is half a pound lighter but I don't want that to be a limiting factor as I've been told I will get my arm strength back.
Yeah when going to their website, it looks like the only Pistol version of the piston-driven is the IC-PSD but only in the 8.x" barrel. So that would still put me in a position where I was ordering a full 12.7" upper on top of that...if you can even order that. I am gonna look into getting a Form 4 SBR with the new eForms it might not be as long a wait.Since you mention weight, I would shy away from the Galil. As mentioned by Knute, they are a bit of a pig.
LWRC 12.7" vs. PWS 16"
- Options available to order: An LWRC upper is almost as much as a complete rifle. I don't believe you can order an LWRC piston gun in a pistol configuration, only SBR and Rifle formats. So you either have to cut down a rifle to make an SBR or start with an SBR/tax stamp. Not sure how easy LWRC lowers are to come by if you wanted to get the lower first and SBR then order an upper. I cut down a 16" to 12.7" for my SBR. If I knew I was going to end up with an SBR I would have just ordered it as an SBR, paid the $200 tax stamp and waited for my form-4 approval.
With PWS you can go to Primary Arms right now, put in the coupon code for 12% off and order the PWS complete lower. Once you get the lower, submit your form-1 via efile and get your tax stamp back in a couple weeks most likely. Then you can go pick the upper that suits your needs. PWS offers a lot more options to get to your desired end results. You could also get a pistol configuration with PWS unlike LWRC.
In the end, I am happy with my LWRC. I think I would be equally happy with a PWS and it would have been a much easier journey and slightly cheaper.