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Being to PC contributed to FT. Hood Massacre

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Chee-to, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Free Speech Rights Prevented Probe Into Hasan E-Mails, Investigators Say


    The claim comes as officials in different branches of law enforcement and the military squabble over who knew what when about Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's leanings toward faith-inspired violence, and as charges fly that 'political correctness' prevented officials from taking action and is still being used as a crutch in explaining the rampage after the fact.

    Investigators would have been "crucified" over First Amendment rights if they had launched a full-scale probe into e-mails Fort Hood massacre suspect Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly sent to a radical imam, a government investigator told Fox News.

    The claim comes as the squabble grows among officials in different branches of law enforcement and the military over who knew what, and when, about Hasan's leanings toward faith-inspired violence, and amid charges that "political correctness" prevented officials from taking pre-emptive action.

    Multiple investigators familiar with the FBI's review of the Fort Hood case told Fox News that they simply did not have enough evidence to launch an investigation. Though officials discovered Hasan's e-mails to the imam, one government counterterrorism investigator said the messages suggested he was seeking "spiritual and religious guidance."

    "(Hasan) appeared to be at a moral impasse, a moral dilemma who was reaching out for advice," the investigator said. "Had we launched an investigation of Hasan we'd have been crucified."

    The investigator added that the communications were shared with the "appropriate chains," including the Department of Defense. The source suggested Hasan may have had other suspicious contacts, telling Fox News "no one missed anything or connections to nefarious individuals."

    Officials have consistently batted down suggestions that they "sat" on critical information about Hasan. One investigator said Monday that "I don't have any evidence" Hasan was given light treatment because of his religion or fear of a discrimination suit.

    But even after the attacks, some have been reluctant to cite religion as a factor, as evidence has mounted that the alleged gunman's Muslim faith was at least a partial factor in the decision to mount the attack.

    Chicago Mayor Richard Daley pointed to America's "love" affair with guns as the driving factor behind last week's shooting at Fort Hood, becoming the latest and possibly most prominent figure to show a reluctance to cite religion.

    "Every day in society someone's being killed. Unfortunately, America loves guns. We love guns to a point that we see the devastation on a daily basis," Daley, whose city has suffered through a rash of violence, told reporters. "You don't blame a group. You don't blame a society, immigrant community because of actions of one group, one individual -- you cannot say that."

    The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence issued a statement last week saying that legislative measures to increase the availability of guns should be rejected in light of the attack.

    "This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified army base, ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in more places," the organization's president, Paul Helmke, said.

    The message was aimed specifically at a proposal backed by the gun lobby and Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., to protect the right of veterans to own guns. Burr responded by accusing Helmke of exploiting the tragedy.

    "It is a shame that this process has gotten to a point where some feel that they can exploit the senseless murder of American soldiers in the quest to secure personal triumph," Burr said.

    Witnesses report hearing Hasan yell "Allahu Akbar" -- "God is Great" -- during the rampage. Hasan once gave a presentation justifying homicide bombings, according to a witness. In one presentation, he also urged the military to let Muslim members leave the service to avoid "adverse" effects.

    But some pointed to stress as a leading factor.

    "We're dealing with a very different kind of war here," Dr. Phil McGraw, a celebrity psychologist, told CNN's Larry King on Thursday night. "And we know that there is a tremendous degree of stress with this war. And I think the military will tell you that it's a new animal and nobody knows exactly what to do with it."

    But with "political correctness" cited as a reason why warning signs from Hasan were potentially overlooked by the military in the first place, some see Hasan being treated the same way in the wake of the shooting.

    Bernard Goldberg, a former CBS News correspondent, took the media to task for its coverage.

    "What's the story line they run with? Religion? Of course not. Can't do that. He's a Muslim," he said Friday on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor." "They run with post-traumatic stress syndrome because that gives them a chance to take a shot at a couple of wars they never liked from the get-go."

    Privately, top Army officers have acknowledged that the massacre may have been a terrorist act.

    In a series of e-mails sent 24 hours after the shootings and obtained by Fox News, one colonel in a two-star command instructed subordinate officers: "Please send a message to our training centers, the (logistics support bases), and the (divisions) advising them of ...(their) responsibility to provide this command a status of their respective anti-terrorism plans."

    Publicly, however, the army's chief of staff seemed reluctant to acknowledge what appears to be the dominant factor in Hasan's world view: his turn toward Islamist views as he turned against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    "I think the speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers," said Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey. "And what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here."

    Some other commentators took note of Hasan's faith only to suggest that its consideration served to rile up conservatives.

    "I cringe that he's a Muslim," said Evan Thomas of Newsweek. "I mean, because it inflames all the fears. I think he's probably just a nut case. But with that label attached to him, it will get the right wing going and it just -- I mean these things are tragic, but that makes it much worse."

    Fox News contributor Monica Crowley called that assessment "incredible."

    "I think he's knee-deep in political correctness, as so many people are, including now, as we know, the United States military. Political correctness is turning out to be the death of this country," she said.

    Satirical blogger Barry Rubin of "The Rubin Report" wondered if today's New York Times covering the Lincoln assassination would overlook the fact that John Wilkes Booth shouted out a Confederate motto after the shooting and report instead that he "was psychologically unstable...frightened of the Civil War coming to an end and having to face a peacetime actors' surplus."

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...od-shooting-press-dodges-religious-component/
     
  2. 56kninja

    56kninja Portland Member

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    You know, I'm going to completely avoid the, "Did he do it because he was a muslim or not?" Talk, because it's retarded. It doesn't matter. People have a right to be what they want, and if they commit violence because of what they are, they should be made an example of. Instead, I'm going to focus on the Brady Campaign.

    These people are absolutely disgusting, (and if you do the opposite you are also so.) Using the deaths of soldiers to make a political point?

    I didn't think that they would open their mouths on this incident, but apparently they always have to be right, no matter who died.
     
  3. Just Jim

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    What leads to my belief in liberal insanity is at one point they back freedom of speech (to hide their fug ups)and at the same time they come up with laws against hate speech ( a recent vote for another protected class). It's why they can't be trusted, they speak out of both sides of their mouths at once.

    If they can round you up for hatefull speech against a protected class yet let a hatefull class murder the unprotected then they are truely insane.

    but we know that.

    jj
     
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    56kninja Portland Member

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    Right wing nuts can do the same thing. I know how Bill O'Reilly thinks that people suggest conspiracy theories (9/11) or just plain speak out against war should be thrown in jail.

    Extremism should be avoided at all costs.
     
  5. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    O'Rielly is a rino at best and probaly a closet liberal playing to an audience that will listen to what he says and not watch what he does. On other shows he has been real anti gun yet on his he is now progun (if it ain't a bazooka). However he has called it right that this is terrorism so maybe there is hope for liberals.

    Naah it's just a dream LOL

    jj
     
  6. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    That's classic. Text book example of "when your side does it is an assault against American values, when my side does it they musty actually be on your side and just pretending to be on my side." Way to pass the buck there.
     
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    56kninja Portland Member

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    He's more of an old school liberal, IMO. The kind that throws Japanese in internment camps because their nation of ancestry made an attack they had nothing to do with.

    I should also note that, the authorities are going to blame whatever they can to blame someone else.

    But nobody is to blame except the person that did it. Not Islam, not the CIA (or whoever was watching him) just Hasan is.
     
  8. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Gosh, you might think I studied in one of our higher liberal institutions:bluelaugh::bluelaugh::bluelaugh:

    Ask yourself why they pass hate speech legistlation for a protected class yet come out and say this criminal has a right to free speech because those soldiers are not a protected class. I am sorry, I didn't mean to actually make you think:bluelaugh::bluelaugh::bluelaugh:

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    If Hassan would have been saying he was going to cut off the heads of any of the protected classes he would have been in jail. Just being American isn't good enough to be protected.

    jj
     
  10. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Painting this jihadist for what he is, and pointing out that military members were unarmed against him doesn't fit the anti-gun liberals' agenda.
     
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    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    56kninja Portland Member

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    But saying "He attacked people in a fortified base" does.

    But they conveniently leave out the fact that; He was base personell. They make it sound like he was running in from the gates and shooting everyone in sight.
     
  13. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    :thumbup:

    This is the topic why not discuss it?

    Free Speech Rights Prevented Probe Into Hasan E-Mails, Investigators Say


    The claim comes as officials in different branches of law enforcement and the military squabble over who knew what when about Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's leanings toward faith-inspired violence, and as charges fly that 'political correctness' prevented officials from taking action and is still being used as a crutch in explaining the rampage after the fact.
     
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    CEF1959 Willamette Valley, Oregon New Member

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    If you are going to republish Fox opinion pieces like a zombie without an original idea of your own, at least do us the favor of spell checking the TITLE to your post.

    I wouldn't want anyone to get the false impression that people around here arguing for gun rights are ignorant or stupid.
     
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    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    CEF1959 Willamette Valley, Oregon New Member

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    Now how does that childish bit of photoshopping relate to guns or gun rights? At least make your crap relevant to the subject of this forum somehow.

    I say: People are watching. So please don't make us look stupid. It may be hard for you, but try. Because when you look like you can't spell better than a 6 year old in the title of a post, that hurts our ability to advocate for gun rights. In case you care. Maybe you don't care about gun rights. I do.

    Now go correct the title of your post, CheezWhiz. Please.

    Thanks.
     
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    here we go.......
    :eatpop:
     
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    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    CEF1959 Willamette Valley, Oregon New Member

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    Now how does that childish bit of photoshopping relate to guns or gun rights? At least make your crap relevant to the subject of this forum somehow.

    I say: People are watching. So please don't make us look stupid. It may be hard for you, but try. Because when you look like you can't spell better than a 6 year old in the title of a post, that hurts our ability to advocate for gun rights. In case you care. Maybe you don't care about gun rights. I do.

    Now go correct the title of your post, CheezWhiz. Please.

    Thanks.
     
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    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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