Being Goofy Fringe-Right Hurts Gun Rights

[bugeye]

Take heart. The last Nazis that came in were following real bad inflation so the people flocked to their side. These Nazis have set up the worst inflation ever and the people will throw them out on their ears. We can't afford this healthcare bill yet they will spend that money then more trillions on cap and trade. They will take a fall big time as will those who supported them when the money fails. ( I can see it now on a job questionair, are you now or have you ever been a democrat) Just a little humor, you don't think that would ever happen do ya)

Yes I am not great with numbers but I have read the economy is 9 trillon a year in the usa GDP. If healthcare goes through then government will control 1.5 trillion more of our economy. They are stealing trillions that you and I are going to owe others in the nation debt. It's our money

jj

I guess you like our current system and think it is just fine, rates increasing at 8% per year during a depression, no prob? The average family of 4 now pays more for health care insurance than they do in taxes (includes employeer contributions) and if left alone heath care insurance will take half their income by about 2016.

By the way that 1.5 trillion is 1.2 trillion and its over ten years, sheesh!

Yeah sure, do nothing, that's the way to solve problems!

 

[Chee-to]

I know what's best for all you, "Goofy, Fringe, racist, militant, far right extremist, tea party going people, that cling to your Bible and guns!!"

I AM WHAT THE "LEFT" IS ALL ABOUT .............

 

[ZeroRing]

Malpractice insurance expenses represent less than 3% of our nation's healthcare spending. Want to try again?

I would like to know the source for this citation... unless it's just your "opinion".

 

[ZeroRing]

She (Sarah Palin) is also dumber than dirt, not that that would bother any of your folks, after all this is only the presidency we are talking about here.

I would like to know the source for this citation as well... but I suspect that it too is just one person's "opinion".

 

[Chee-to]

She is also dumber than dirt, not that that would bother any of your folks, after all this is only the presidency we are talking about here.

This is from a guy that voted for a someone that can't put two words together without a teleprompter...

 

[ZachS]

I would like to know the source for this citation... unless it's just your "opinion".

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/would-tort-reform-lower-health-care-costs/

And my mistake - it's actually 1.5%, according to this company: http://www.towersperrin.com/tp, quoted in this article: http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/would-tort-reform-lower-health-care-costs/

The article has a lot more background about the actual economics of tort expenses and medical spending.

Would any of you, now, care to cite sources for the numbers you're throwing around?

 

[JumpWing]

Seems to me that unchecked nutjobs spewing emotional rage got a President elected.

 

[RevJimII]

Bugeye,

Your post resonates with me because at this point I question just about everything at the moment. This isn't to say I don't know where I stand or what I believe in, just that both of our primary political parties have agendas outside what is really necessary for society to function properly. I personally think a drastic reduction in personnel and a line by line purge of all law books both state and federal would be a great place to start. I know I am dreaming at this point but hey.. its what I do.

One of the largest debates on the table right now is health care. I know that the left/liberal/dem side of the House has both good intentions as well as agenda. Same goes for the right/conservative/gop. The argument I have with my own pet liberal goes towards the bloated nature of the bill at hand, not the complete content or intent of the necessity of restructuring. I seem to be disassociating myself from both parties and even the entire location of government as a whole. I see on the grand scheme that our nation as well as most of the world has moved farther toward totalitarianism and away from the diametrically opposed anarchy. I am a huge fan of personal freedom and personal responsibility.

This is what I personally preach in firearms, we should have 100% personal freedom to carry what we will to cover the necessity at hand, BUT we should succumb to the law and face responsibility if we fail in following natural law and respecting everyone elses personal freedoms. You are correct that the fringe/nutjobs/fanatics damage the cause and make fools of the many. It only takes one.

We constantly battle the fringe elements of our respective ideological groups and should keep striving to steer the them back towards sanity and reason. Just because there is disagreement does not mean either side is right or wrong.. this is what we are supposed to be about, open debate and resolution through representitives in government. It is when good men do nothing that evil prevails, to steal a wise statement.. we should never give up trying to better ourselves and our society. As long as we continue the struggle, positive things will happen and the good that is in people will prevail.

I would like to quickly point out that your assessment of Obama is quite spot on. While I do not agree with his more liberal social agenda (not socialist).. I have watched the extreme left get just as ticked off as the uber right has with his moderation. (going back I have to admit I like the use of the term uber bubba earlier.. being something of a redneck myself, I can at least laugh at my own projected personna..)

Oops, I have to truncate this here as dinner needs procured for my tribe.. (homemade tacos). Let us continue this again shall we?

Rev. Jim II
Unclassified yet not apathetic..

 

[RevJimII]

Before I go cook dinner, what would the impact be if we threw out the current bills on health care and stuck with tort reform, open interstate purchase of policies and were able to successfully reduce ins. fraud, private as well as in Gov. funded programs..?

Rev. Jim II

p.s. Does anyone think the current bills being tossed about have any designs on limiting the 2A? Take into account the info requests on intake forms in some medical offices and the liability forecasts suggested by ins. companies in the same vein as smoking or other hazerdous lifestyle choices.

 

[ZachS]

p.s. Does anyone think the current bills being tossed about have any designs on limiting the 2A? Take into account the info requests on intake forms in some medical offices and the liability forecasts suggested by ins. companies in the same vein as smoking or other hazerdous lifestyle choices.

I have no doubt that DHS will try to regulate guns as a "public health" issue at some point - there are plenty of people who work in public health who study gun violence in the same way as they study diseases. That, and other, executive branch agencies have the power to make extraordinary policy decisions without congressional input - for example, the FDA recently (and unilaterally) enacted a ban on clove and other flavored cigarettes. It took a multimillion dollar lobbying effort to keep menthols off that list.

On the other hand, Congress can overturn administrative rules whenever it wants to. And the 2nd Amendment is not going to be overturned for a long time...



I think the Obama administration is much less of a threat to guns than Clinton was - although there are plenty of folks in the Democratic leadership who are salivating at another chance to take away our rights, the conventional wisdom among much of the rank and file (and the folks writing checks to campaigns) is that new gun laws will do nothing but turn Congress over to the Republicans. ****, informal polls on Daily Kos, polls of activists representing the left wing of the party, tend to show majority support for gun rights.

 

[Just Jim]

She is also dumber than dirt, not that that would bother any of your folks, after all this is only the presidency we are talking about here.

The insults and name calling is about normal for your side, it matters little if you win or lose your tactics are the same. So when do the personal attacks start?

She is pro gun and pro America. Better a person in charge that believes in America than one who hates America. Obama has proven he hates America and our rights will suffer from his hatred.

jj

 

[Just Jim]

I guess you like our current system and think it is just fine, rates increasing at 8% per year during a depression, no prob? The average family of 4 now pays more for health care insurance than they do in taxes (includes employeer contributions) and if left alone heath care insurance will take half their income by about 2016.

By the way that 1.5 trillion is 1.2 trillion and its over ten years, sheesh!

Yeah sure, do nothing, that's the way to solve problems!

Things are the way they are because the politicions made it so. The people of America in general are good people, it's the politicions that ruin our lives. You in turn vote for that to happen and relish in the fact.

If we had a conservative government and they would follow the constitution then we wouldn't be in this mess. The Liberal progressives have done this to us and are about to do more. Who do you believe in the founding fathers or Obama?

jj

 

[ZachS]

Obama has proven he hates America and our rights will suffer from his hatred.

jj

Have a citation for this source, or is it just your opinion?

 

[Just Jim]

Have a citation for this source, or is it just your opinion?

Ok ZachS, use a little common sense and tell me why he want's to "change" America if he doesn't hate it? If you listen to him say ( quotes are paraphrase)"if you want to know what I am going to do then look who I surround myself with" and not see the socialist and marxist that have hated America for decades around him then I doubt you can read what I post and understand.

If you need a source to see this on vidio then go to Fox news and then to Glenn Beck. All the vidio that proves who these people are and what they are doing is there for your watching. However I doubt you will, the truth hurts.

jj

 

[Selftest]

I'll say this because it's an open forum, and because I believe it needs to be said.

What we need, is less "ideal republicans" backing our rights. Have you guys ever read anything Megan McCain, daughter of Sen. McCain. has written? SHE is the face of what we need to be. Less bigoted, more socially aware. We need less stuffy old men and more attractive young people speaking for our rights.

I'm a: socially liberal, economically confused, pro-gay rights, non-christian believer American. The thing is, there are many people like me. I'm 26. My best friend is a PETA supporter, Vegan, VERY liberal American, but he agrees that we should have guns, for different reasons.

The rhetoric we throw around is relegated to bubbleguming on internet message boards dedicated to people of our own particular views. When Bush was in office, I never saw an NRA ad on T.V. I never heard a smart, witty. socially conscious person preach to the masses about what gun ownership means. We have the media, DAILY, misrepresenting gun owners, and firearms in general. People who attend a Magpul Dynamics class are labelled as "extremists" without a firm grasp on reality.

Gun rights is NOT any party's policy. Gun rights need to be at the forefront of what this country represents. Look at who gets heard/seen: California, NYC. The whole entirety of the country rests on TWO STATES. When is Tennessee, Kentucky, Nebraska ever represented anywhere but in their locales? Nowhere. Media is controlled by two states. Both are extremely anti-gun. We need to have every pro-gun organization making ads for T.V and radio. Taking out advertising space in the NY Times, not Shotgun News. Why not? If most gun owners are conservative, which usually means "money to throw around," why are we not trying to promote responsible gun ownership?

It saddens me to know that I will probably never see the day that commercials promote responsible gun ownership. "Come to Cabelas today, pick up your Glock 19, and receive a FREE IWB Holster!" The damn BOY SCOUTS don't even teach Marksmanship anymore, do they? I never did it...

 

[Just Jim]

Do you stand with the constitution or the liberal progessive agenda?

jj

 

[ZachS]

Do you stand with the constitution or the liberal progessive agenda?

jj

I stand with both, as do tens of millions of other patriotic Americans.

 

[Just Jim]

I stand with both, as do tens of millions of other patriotic Americans.

You are going to have to explain that to me, the progressives have turned against the constitution. There is nothing in the constitution that gives government the right to force people to buy governemnt healthcare.

jj

 

[ZachS]

You are going to have to explain that to me, the progressives have turned against the constitution. There is nothing in the constitution that gives government the right to force people to buy governemnt healthcare.

jj

If you're not willing to take the above statement at face value, that is to say, if you don't believe me when I state that I'm a patriotic American, I don't think we can have a worthwhile conversation.

So, before we continue - do you take me at my word? Do you think that someone with progressive ideals can be a patriotic American?

 

[el gringo loco]

Other than wholeheartedly agreeing with CEF1959's original post, I don't really have a horse in the race when it comes to the petty name-calling and Glenn beck quotes vs. Rachel Maddow quotes back and forth of the last few pages...

But....This quote struck me as funny:

This is from a guy that voted for a someone that can't put two words together without a teleprompter...

I am assuming that Chee-to voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. If so, I find this remark funny coming from a guy that voted for someone that can't put two words together with a teleprompter.