Being Goofy Fringe-Right Hurts Gun Rights

[Just Jim]

I just can't stand political correctness. America is about freedom. Only socialism would label people who speak useing their rights under the constitution as nut jobs. Better to drink the tea of liberty than drink the koolaide of socialism.

Liberals don't respect our gun rights, to appease them only hurts us.

jj

 

[Jamie6.5]

I was going to voice a fresh set of thoughts to this thread, but I'm not sure I can say it any better than was done in the following.
For your reading pleasure, and to those who missed it the first time:

Have you ever considered the possibility that some of us haven't moved to the right of the republican party, but the party has moved to the left of us?

You seem to be of the opinion that Glenn, Rush and Sarah are on the fringe but the republican party does not necessarily represent conservative values. Each of these people support your right to bear arms. Does Obama? How about AG Eric Holder, Cass Sunstein, Sonia Sotomayor. Careful who you defend.

Dede Scozzafava is much like our state legislator Frank Morse, signed up as a republican but RINO. The only thing we may have gotten by her staying in the race assuming she won was the fact that there woulod be a "R" next to her name. To me that means nothing when everytime you are asked to vote on an issue you side with the left.

Good Riddance Dede!

It's high time to take our party back and hopefully in time our country back.

As for the person currently holding the office of President, his actions speak volumes confirming his socialist leanings. Socialized banks, car companies, insurance, the attempted takeover of health care, firing executives, dictating executive pay, the fact that this man voted in favor of every piece of anti-gun legislation that was presented to him. Our constitution means nothing to this man and that includes the 2nd ammendment.

If you think pandering to the left will save your 2nd ammendment rights (and all the rest) god help us all. We cannot allow the continued erosion of our republic and the trampling of our bill of rights.

Bring on the Tea Partys!

And please, just how will calling Sarah, Rush and Glenn "nutjobs" win any friends among their tens of millions of pro-2A supporters?

One thing they all have in common is that they are pro 2A. The "Republican" who was running in that NY race wasn't. Our current leaders in the WH and congress aren't.

It is very unusual for a 3rd party candidate to win an election, yet a man with little personality, little money, no major party backing and no political experience came within five percentage points of doing just that.

He didn't even live in the district, and 30 days earlier no one had even heard of him. How did he get so far as to drive the Republican out of the race and come so close to winning?

There is no empirical evidence to even hint that Sarah Palin didn't help him get from maybe 5% of the vote to 45% of the vote. There is no evidence that she didn't drive the republican candidate out of the race. Maybe if he'd had another 30 days the conservative candidate would have won. The great coach Vince Lombardi once said "I never lost a football game. I just ran out of time."

It all depends on your perspective as to who a "nutjob" is. I'm not going to be quick to label anyone as such who is willing to defend my freedom and to uphold ALL of the constitution.

I think the "nutjobs" are in the WH and congress, working 24/7 to steal my freedoms.

$.02

I can't believe a conservative can call Rush, Sarah and Glen nut jobs. What I think is nuts about Rush is that he will not take calls about gun issues. What is nuts about Glen is that he is ahead of the curve seeing what is comming. I see nothing nutty about Sarah but she probably is tougher and smarter than most of us.

 

[powersbj]

I pretty much consider the Repub party to be a bunch of soldout, pandering, selfserving...... Well lets just cut it short and call them Politicians.

I was talking to a democrat friend not to long ago she asked what party Im closest to, I said Im pretty much a Libertarian, she said "Thats great I thought you were a republican".... I couldnt stop laughing... The ignorance is amazing, people have no idea what the diffrent parties acctuall ideals are anymore.

 

[ZachS]

I just can't stand political correctness. America is about freedom. Only socialism would label people who speak useing their rights under the constitution as nut jobs. Better to drink the tea of liberty than drink the koolaide of socialism.

Liberals don't respect our gun rights, to appease them only hurts us.

jj

I'm a liberal who respects my, your, and our gun rights. And the Democratic majority in Congress is largely due to pro-gun dems.


Not going to throw around any words like "nutjobs," but from an outside perspective, I can tell you that the political figures mentioned in this thread are not doing the right any favors.

 

[Just Jim]

I'm a liberal who respects my, your, and our gun rights. And the Democratic majority in Congress is largely due to pro-gun dems.


Not going to throw around any words like "nutjobs," but from an outside perspective, I can tell you that the political figures mentioned in this thread are not doing the right any favors.

I don't hear the "nutjobs" calling for gun control. I am 57 years young and the majority of all antigun laws have come from liberal democrats. Progun democrats are the same as Rinos, they talk one way to get elected then vote against what they were supposed to stand for.

In any case people have a right to be "nutjobs" and say what they want, at least untill the socialist get comeplete control that is.

jj

Someday you will have to exsplain to me how you can rationalize being a Liberal

 

[slingshot1943]

They are the right and it's bigger than you think, the alphabet media tries to make us think we are alone by under reporting
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[Just Jim]

You mean the left wing media don't you So much spin we are all dizzy. All my life I have seen their one sided stories against guns. People have seen through the lies.

jj

 

[Teufel_Hunden]

Depends on your definition of the right. You see some of don't see the majority of the republican party as the right. Most are about center if we're lucky. If they were truthful they'd admit that they are closer to Democrat than anything.

Also sorry to burst your bubble here but Sarah, Glenn and Rush definitely are the only type that are helping us keep the onrushing tide of Fascism stemmed. Although I don't like Rush's delivery (hes a pompus ***) he is correct most of the time. Sarah is a true conservative and what a republican was and should be. Glenn delivers news and information that is accurate, well thought out and as far as I can tell generally exclusive. I'd trade the whole minority legislature for these three.

And once again they are all 3 pro gun so whats the problem? Not enough bowing to the marxist ideology?

Comrade??

 

[Just Jim]

good reply

jj

 

[fingolfen]

I'm a liberal who respects my, your, and our gun rights. And the Democratic majority in Congress is largely due to pro-gun dems.

Not going to throw around any words like "nutjobs," but from an outside perspective, I can tell you that the political figures mentioned in this thread are not doing the right any favors.

Pro-gun Democrats are unfortunately a minority at this point, and their views are not shared by the Democratic leadership. From my perspective (for the record, fiscal conservative, social libertarian-ish) the Democrats opened up the party just enough to get a majority, but not enough to alter the platform... which smacks of hypocrisy.

I honestly wish that the Second Amendment was not a partisan issue, but when I see Democrats in big cities across the United States rushing to clamp down on the Second Amendment, when I see courts ruling the Second Amendment out of existence based on these big city laws, I realize that it is still very much a partisan issue.

I don’t often quote the Bible, but this time it’s truly appropriate:

In Matthew and Luke Jesus states:

“...how can you say to your neighbor, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' while the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye.”

When it comes to gun rights, it’s awfully hypocritical for Democrats to lecture the right on Rush, Coulter, Palin, and Beck when at the top of their own party sit individuals like Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer, and a host of others.

 

[Captain Question]

Also sorry to burst your bubble here but Sarah, Glenn and Rush definitely are the only type that are helping us keep the onrushing tide of Fascism stemmed.

If you're worried about the "tide of fascism" then you're looking the wrong way - the tide swept past this country in the 30s and hasn't done much in the way of receding.

 

[Jamie6.5]

When it comes to gun rights, it’s awfully hypocritical for Democrats to lecture the right on Rush, Coulter, Palin, and Beck when at the top of their own party sit individuals like Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer, and a host of others.

No doubt Fingolfen. Lets not forget Schumer and Frank. Although the scariest part is that the "host of others" is being led by the guy in the white house!

 

[JAFO]

The Republican Party allowing just anyone to run under their banner hurts the cause more than any person you don't like speaking out does.

 

[AGCR]

I'm a liberal who respects my, your, and our gun rights. And the Democratic majority in Congress is largely due to pro-gun dems.


Not going to throw around any words like "nutjobs," but from an outside perspective, I can tell you that the political figures mentioned in this thread are not doing the right any favors.

Exactly. If we want to inspire people to see the 2A as valuable, we need more talk about gun owners like Eleanor Roosevelt and Harriet Tubman and less whining about Democrats causing the end of the world. We need constructive dialogues, not typical right-wing hysteria.

 

[ZachS]

Exactly. If we want to inspire people to see the 2A as valuable, we need more talk about gun owners like Eleanor Roosevelt and Harriet Tubman and less whining about Democrats causing the end of the world. We need constructive dialogues, not typical right-wing hysteria.

Yup.


You know, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who moved here from DC last night. He told me that some of the things I've said since we met a couple of months ago have led him to seriously reevaluate his position on gun rights. Wonder how many folks the rest of the people on here are converting...

 

[bugeye]

We need to realize there wouldn't be any gun rights now if it were not for conservatives. Sucking up to the left makes them stronger not frendlierto our cause.

You do realize that without liberals and progressives that the right to have a gun wouldn't mean much, what with you and your kids working 12 hour days down at the mill for almost enough to buy food at the company store let alone a firearm, don't you? You righties are an ungrateful bunch.

+1 to CEF, armed people calling themselves PATRIOTS, while proclaiming in the most emoutional terms that they will use force to remove an elected US government from power, because they say that it is socialist, when everything that is being done is Moderate Republican, is not helping the gun cause. It is only convincing our opponents that we are exactly the sort of deranged nuts they feared the most. And you know, based on this ubber bubba talk, they have a point.

But CEF, rather than just not say it for the benefit of the gun owning public, wouldn't an appeal to sanity, reality, and maybe at least that these right edge people take a few days away from fox and am to see how drinking the cool aid might be affecting them, be a better thing for all of us? The degree of paranoia being expressed over this admin is incredible, and when I ask them why all I get is emotional outrage and a little nitpicking. Of course, this is asking them to change, and maybe that is impossible, maybe they need to have a boogeyman as a target for their endless venom?

 

[Just Jim]

Looks like the left is here in force today LOL Say, while you guys are praising yourselves so much how about answering to the question of why our democrat controled big cities have the tightest gun controls and the worst crime and poverty?

jj

 

[RevJimII]

I'm a pastor too, and fairly conservative. I don't think of our founding fathers as fringe, they seemed to be pretty main stream at popular at the time. The main reason I find the tea party peeps to be fringe is that they're in the minority, so by definition their on the outer edges (aka fringe). What's funny about it is that I wonder how conservatives today would feel about a group of people destroying someone else's merchandise because they didn't agree with the taxation involved. I'm fairly unconcerned with temporal things, so I don't get too excited about all this stuff anyway, it's just interesting to hear people's opinions.

Good to meet you! As a group, the Founders were not so outside the box for the country, but some of the members individual ideals were a little on the edge. I wouldn't go so far as to call them extremists.
I am an active 'tea party' participant and have met hundreds of folks who have gone to these events, so far I have yet to find anyone who I would consider 'fringe' as I think about it.
You are correct in pointing out they are still a minority but I believe we are just seeing the surface of this movement. Most of these people are not those you would be used to seeing at a 'rally'. I have talked to a lot of folks from various backgrounds who are finding a common thread in fiscal conservatism, inclulding religious right/independants/libertarians as well as social liberals and moderate democrats.
I personally am a self professed Constitutional Purist, enumerated powers only. So anything that heads towards personal freedoms coupled with personal responsibility and a reduction in government is given consideration. I agree with you that this is all a temporary state and in the big picture your personal salvation is the key to eternal life but while we are here we might as well play the game of LIFE.
Rev. Jim II

 

[swoop]

Looks like the left is here in force today LOL Say, while you guys are praising yourselves so much how about answering to the question of why our democrat controled big cities have the tightest gun controls and the worst crime and poverty?

jj

Oooop's, think you scared them off with that bit of reality.

 

[Just Jim]

Oooop's, think you scared them off with that bit of reality.

Naaahhhh, you ask a liber a simple question and he has to write a full book answer They will be back

jj