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Being Goofy Fringe-Right Hurts Gun Rights

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by CEF1959, Nov 5, 2009.

  1. CEF1959

    CEF1959 Willamette Valley, Oregon New Member

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...after_sarah_palin_and_rush_limbaugh_supp.html

    This was an important Republican seat that had been held by Republicans for generations. The NRA backed the Republican. Then came the nutjobs, who drove her out of the race. Now it's held by a Democrat. Thanks, Sarah. Thanks, Rush. Thanks, Glenn.

    This is why we traditional pro-gun conservatives shake our heads when we see goofballs like Palin, Beck, and Limbaugh out front.

    Being goofy hurts our cause.

    Being hysterical hurts our cause.

    Distorting the facts hurts our cause.

    Engaging in hyperbole hurts our cause.

    Racist comments on this site hurt our cause.

    Wailing about a communist takeover of the US hurts our cause.

    Shreiking that Obama hates America hurts our cause.

    If your goal is just to scream with rage just to get it all out of your system, go for it. But if you think you are helping to protect my gun rights, you are wrong.
     
  2. thelendog

    thelendog Milwaukie Member

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    +1 for the sentiment of your post, but Dede Scozzafava was in no way (as far as I can tell) a conservative, socially or fiscally. It seems that she was a republican that held that office because she acted like a democrat.

    Let me say again that I believe that fringe right groups hurt gun rights, as well as other conservative issues. I also believe it works the same way for fringe left and their causes (enviro terrorism, peta etc.).

    A great example of what I consider "fringe right" is the tea party movement, especially the picture attached. Leave out the spelling (abbreviation?) and just understand that medicare is a government program . . .

    guvmint-out-of-my-medicare.jpg
     
  3. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    CEF, I agree with your point that fringe right nutjobs hurt our cause, but thelendog makes good point too that Dede Scozzafava was in no way a Republican or a conservative. There was hardly a nickels difference between her and the Democrat in the race. If there had been a primary election, she never would have made the Republican ticket.
     
  4. SheepDog223

    SheepDog223 Salem Well-Known Member

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    There will always be an extreme right and left. Take away the right and left of today then look around. There is a new fringe to the left of the old right and to the right of the old left. Until you have one guy who is remaining standing in the middle who... Well, I don't know what he thinks. He probably thinks both sides are correct in his own post modern way of thinking.

    There is absolute right (absolute correct) and while none of us are there, I hope we each would search and strive to be headed in that direction.

    Anything other than right must be neutral or wrong. There are 10 easy laws to figure out what falls where.

    I guess I'm one of the guys on the right your talking about, but I don't go hitting, downtalking, or hate minorities, (I'm in a minority group myself) and I don't go waving my guns in public.

    That said, I don't think I would focus on the fringe right who the author says hurts the gun cause. That's like saying I need to go 50mph in a 55mph zone because If I go 55 and somebody goes 60 and kills another motorist the govt will lower the speed to 45mph. Lets punish crime instead. I don't blame it on the whacko right, I blame it on the whacko's who shoot up schools, malls, city halls, and so on.
     
  5. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    We talk about the Leftwing and the Rightwing. But, who are the RIGHTWINGERS? Today's Rightwingers are yesterday's "MIDDLE OF THE ROAD 'MODERATES'"! The horrible things that the Right is accused of such as being "Pro-America, Pro-gun, Pro-Anti-abortion, Pro-Constitution, Pro-Limited government, Pro-Christian ethics and morals, Pro-marriage before having children, Pro-No filthy language on TV or radio, Pro-Anti-pornography, Pro-No special rights for anybody based on their sexual preference, " and so forth, were All MAINSTREAM AMERICA as late as the 1950's. America has shifted so far to the left that one time Moderates are now Rightwing extremists! The long time heritage of America was drastically changed starting during the 1960's and has turned this country into a degenerate nation where the old standards are today considered extremism.
     
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    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    I used the word "porno-graphy" in my previous post and it became "bubblegum". Is the word I used unacceptable? I guess it is.
     
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    Blov Oregon Central Coast Member

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    I agree with your sentiments however Owens does have an AQ rating (qualified according to a questionnaire but no voting record). Concerning Dede, anyone who has recieved the Margaret Sanger award is not someone I want in office.
     
  8. pdxjohann

    pdxjohann Portland near Tigard Member

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    Wowwie Zowwie, here it comes.
    CEF, boy you hit it. That is why I'm not hitching my gun rights to a party. Personal safety needs hit demographics and pushed - lower socio-economic groups. Those points are my recent arguments. Elder smaller stature single women and guys own homes where they reside without much to protect themselves from powerful thugs. Those of desperate straights and their neighbors are forced to be ... desperate. We all need to be watchful for ourselves and our neighbors. Plenty of socially liberal folks I speak to are wishing to protect our Bill of Rights - we only have one or two left.

    I remember ol' Shirley wagging her 8" .45 revolver at me in a mock friendly way when I moved near her. She simply was stating a message. Later I bought her house where she lived alone until 88 years. It was all frilly and girlish and she had sharp knives hidden all over. And her son said plenty of guns hidden per room too. God bless ol' Shirley.
     
  9. LibertyorDeath

    LibertyorDeath Western Washington Member

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    What hurts our cause the most is that we cannot seem to unify. If someone makes a comment you feel is racist or otherwise damaging to our cause then tell them privately. Our enemies, the grabbers, like to see us fighting internally and are probably on this site for that purpose. DO NOT make it a public issue because then it becomes a detraction from the real issues of our 2nd amendment rights. Remember Abraham Lincoln said "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
     
  10. slingshot1943

    slingshot1943 salem or Well-Known Member

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    We need to realize there wouldn't be any gun rights now if it were not for conservatives. Sucking up to the left makes them stronger not frendlierto our cause.
     
  11. NK777

    NK777 West of Portland Member

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    Agree! We must unite and meet in the middle. I just fear it's a little to late to kill the opposing forces with kindness at this point. I fear it's to late and it'll get extremely ugly in the near future. I sincerly hope I'm wrong and we can unite and win this battle with mere words.

    Show me people, that it isn't to late for peaceful political action. Show me that we still have the power to reset the government non-violently and again hold the Constitution high. Hope for the best and expect the worse. Unfortunately I'm not very hopeful right now.
     
  12. RevJimII

    RevJimII Lane County, Or New Member

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    Hmm... I am a Conservative Minister who borders on libertarian ideals and have gone to Tea Parties openly armed with a .45 and a camera. It was a very peaceful and informative gathering with no fights or arrests. I do not consider myself 'fringe' in any way nor have any folks I met during any Tea Party events strike me as 'fringe'.

    I get a lot of flack over open carry due to a lot of concealed permit holders afraid I might garner the wrong attention.. I might draw attention to the fact that I am exercising my rights. Those who endorsed Scozzafava had the right and the energy to do so. Unfortunately you are correct in pointing out that perception does play a major part in popular opinion and is something to consider in all things.

    Besides, depending on how you look at it.. our founding Fathers were 'fringe'. So where would we be without them?

    Rev Jim II
     
  13. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Still got to ask; What are you doing to protect your gun rights?

    Hiding in a hole gets nothing done.
     
  14. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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    +1 could not agree more.
     
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    thelendog Milwaukie Member

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    Sweet! So did Jesus!
     
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    thelendog Milwaukie Member

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    I'm a pastor too, and fairly conservative. I don't think of our founding fathers as fringe, they seemed to be pretty main stream at popular at the time. The main reason I find the tea party peeps to be fringe is that they're in the minority, so by definition their on the outer edges (aka fringe). What's funny about it is that I wonder how conservatives today would feel about a group of people destroying someone else's merchandise because they didn't agree with the taxation involved. I'm fairly unconcerned with temporal things, so I don't get too excited about all this stuff anyway, it's just interesting to hear people's opinions.
     
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    56kninja Portland Member

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    I'd say the Sons of Liberty were extremely fringe.. (And some of the founding fathers probably were part of this group), but the founding fathers are only a fringe group of "Rifle Wielding, Slave owning, Right Wing Extremists that hate Europe" if you are a liberal.
     
  18. Teufel_Hunden

    Teufel_Hunden Albany, Oregon Active Member

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    Have you ever considered the possibility that some of us haven't moved to the right of the republican party, but the party has moved to the left of us?

    You seem to be of the opinion that Glenn, Rush and Sarah are on the fringe but the republican party does not necessarily represent conservative values. Each of these people support your right to bear arms. Does Obama? How about AG Eric Holder, Cass Sunstein, Sonia Sotomayor. Careful who you defend.

    Dede Scozzafava is much like our state legislator Frank Morse, signed up as a republican but RINO. The only thing we may have gotten by her staying in the race assuming she won was the fact that there woulod be a "R" next to her name. To me that means nothing when everytime you are asked to vote on an issue you side with the left.

    Good Riddance Dede!

    It's high time to take our party back and hopefully in time our country back.

    As for the person currently holding the office of President, his actions speak volumes confirming his socialist leanings. Socialized banks, car companies, insurance, the attempted takeover of health care, firing executives, dictating executive pay, the fact that this man voted in favor of every piece of anti-gun legislation that was presented to him. Our constitution means nothing to this man and that includes the 2nd ammendment.

    If you think pandering to the left will save your 2nd ammendment rights (and all the rest) god help us all. We cannot allow the continued erosion of our republic and the trampling of our bill of rights.

    Bring on the Tea Partys!

    :flag:
     
  19. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    And please, just how will calling Sarah, Rush and Glenn "nutjobs" win any friends among their tens of millions of pro-2A supporters?

    One thing they all have in common is that they are pro 2A. The "Republican" who was running in that NY race wasn't. Our current leaders in the WH and congress aren't.

    It is very unusual for a 3rd party candidate to win an election, yet a man with little personality, little money, no major party backing and no political experience came within five percentage points of doing just that.

    He didn't even live in the district, and 30 days earlier no one had even heard of him. How did he get so far as to drive the Republican out of the race and come so close to winning?

    There is no empirical evidence to even hint that Sarah Palin didn't help him get from maybe 5% of the vote to 45% of the vote. There is no evidence that she didn't drive the republican candidate out of the race. Maybe if he'd had another 30 days the conservative candidate would have won. The great coach Vince Lombardi once said "I never lost a football game. I just ran out of time."

    It all depends on your perspective as to who a "nutjob" is. I'm not going to be quick to label anyone as such who is willing to defend my freedom and to uphold ALL of the constitution.

    I think the "nutjobs" are in the WH and congress, working 24/7 to steal my freedoms.

    $.02
     
  20. slingshot1943

    slingshot1943 salem or Well-Known Member

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    I can't believe a conservative can call Rush, Sarah and Glen nut jobs. What I think is nuts about Rush is that he will not take calls about gun issues. What is nuts about Glen is that he is ahead of the curve seeing what is comming. I see nothing nutty about Sarah but she probably is tougher and smarter than most of us.
     
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