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Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by Just Jim, Aug 6, 2015.

  1. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Under a socialist government like we have here they have collapsed to the point of food riots. Interesting is what the laws here will do should we break down to riots for food. As of the 9th you can not sell a gun to a private party unless the state approves it. If the state doesn't answer the phone all sales can be shut down including store sales. Once your guns are registered under post August 9th laws you will be accountable.

    Looks like they are planning for the future:D.
     
  2. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully things don't degrade to a Donner Party situation - those THC laden portland hippies and hipsters are probably nasty tasting and tough. Not even good for stew. :p

    Besides Jim, the government is here to help....


    :s0110::s0112::s0111:
     
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  3. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    With the new sb941 it will be against the law to sell a gun if the system goes down but then that will never happen because you can always count on government not shutting down.:confused::eek::D:rolleyes:

    Things start falling apart and the panic to buy a gun is going to make it interesting for those who don't own one.:eek:
     
  4. Oathkeeper1775

    Oathkeeper1775 Coast Range Well-Known Member

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    Government Bubbles pop the loudest....the market itself is the organic & sustainable way to manage the economy. Printing "Keynesean" money and handing it out so corporations can keep selling their products only egasterbates the problem(s).....

    Suffice to say that if (when :confused:) a similar collapse occurs here, the significance of sb 941 will be even-further marginalized. Several jurisdictions have already announced that they cannot enforce that "law" among other laws.

    There seems to be legislative bubbles too :eek:.
     
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  5. Kid@Heart

    Kid@Heart Vancouver, USA Cynic Lifetime Supporter Diamond Supporter

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    Be sure you wash your food before eating.
     
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  6. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    In that situation following the law will be the furthest thought in anyone's mind!!!!o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O
     
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  7. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Well, just watching and reading it didn't turn really bad over night. It started with shortages in the markets and over time it turned violent. Hate to be thrown in jail for selling a gun just before all heck breaks loose.o_O
     
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  8. DuneHopper

    DuneHopper Douglas County. Well-Known Member

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    But but, they did it for the children..........................
     
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  9. DuneHopper

    DuneHopper Douglas County. Well-Known Member

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    We all have to remember the colonists here, things took along time and slowly got worse beyond repair.
    The sad think is if one needs ammo, 10,000 rounds is not allot. But weight alone makes bugging out with a stash impossible. Not trying to convert the thread a prep, my point was hard to prepare with liberal placing obstacles. Obstacles that then will need. My head hurt sometimes watching the level of stupidity in many today.
     
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  10. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    I don't mind it being turned to a prepper thread but my point in the thread is just how hard its going to be for those who didn't buy a gun to get one in the future. Laws like sb941 are going to prevent legal purchase as things start to go bad. Large sections of the population will be unarmed.

    When our trillions in debt catches up to us there is a good possibility we will be like Venezuela and sb941 will make it where people will be defenseless.
     
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  11. Oathkeeper1775

    Oathkeeper1775 Coast Range Well-Known Member

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    If anyone has-not read the childhood story "The Three Little Pigs" (no pun intended), they need-to asap! However, some will not, do not, or cannot.

    The "Big Bad Wolf" (of one type or another) is coming to each "house"; it would be wise to be prepared and if necessary, allow a few un-prepared but worthy people in, but everyone simply cannot fit Jim; they are in control of their own destiny.
     
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  12. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Oh but it will escalate into total chaos then the SWHTF:eek::eek::eek:
     
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  13. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Some of those folkes just don't understand how it all works. After the 8th the government can shut down all legal avenues to buying a gun just by not answering the phone. That means no matter what you are a criminal if you buy a gun without paperwork.

    Plus after the 8th any gun you buy is accountable to you and if they ask for it you will be a criminal if you don't have it. Any new or used gun is going to be on a registry with the state when you buy it. Guns before the 8th can't be held accountable to you but after the 8th you own it and it owns you.

    Now put that in perspective as we drift into a state like Venezuela with crime going crazy and riots for food.o_O
     
  14. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    Heres one hitch in the gun registry giddyip - its still legal to sell guns to people in other states. "I sold it and shipped it to an ffl. Piss off. You have more questions call my lawyer."
     
  15. DuneHopper

    DuneHopper Douglas County. Well-Known Member

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    Since I was a kid along time ago, this was seen coming. Of course back then people thought I was a radical out of and out of my mind as a teen when I argued about a new law that you could not buy handgun ammo until you were 21, but I could buy rifle ammo huh ?? The argument was then that more crimes are committed with handguns, ok but mine wasnt going to be LOL

    Many who are much younger do not see the large picture and how this was not just and over night thing and it took along time of this being ignored before a few woke up. Yet far more are not awake. I belong allot of gun groups and that all fine and dandy and you will find like minded people. However as of yet people are missing the point. Preaching to the choir will get us know where
    because if we do not start educating the general public the antis will. Ceasefire last year and 2015 worked hard traveling up and down highway 5 teaching gun safety and successfully teaching people there own way. There are allot of Pro-Organizations yet none of them are reaching out to the unknown and getting people to see guns are not bad, people are. I have a flier from ceasefires visit in my town i managed to get its clear they teach gun responsibility in away that seem normal to any novice and ts scary.

    They use words like, community child safety and how no-gun business are safe.
    They show clear that gun registration will work because if they find a felon with a gun they can tell if its stolen or not HUH???

    I agree if you are not ready now, that lake is running dry quickly and its what they are counting on.
    Maybe once people realize they were just molested by the Senators here they will work to repeal.

    Rant Over !
     
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  16. 45alive

    45alive South Douglas County- Orygun Well-Known Member

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    Que Es ''BS149'' ? :s0129: Mucho Caca de Toro:s0098: En Oregon Senator Es Muy Estupido ! :s0077: :s0167:
     
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  17. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't worry until you see the stores running short on products. When you can't get TP and the women start going crazy because you can't then it's time to worry.:D:D:eek::):confused:
     
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  18. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    To a point, that is correct.

    But the devil is in the details.

    You can't sell the firearm without the FFL and BGC, but that doesn't mean that you have to have the firearm in your possession. The way I read the law, state still has to prove that you sold it illegally, and that it wasn't stolen, or destroyed or lost. To do that, they have to find the buyer or if you gave it to someone, the current person in possession of the firearm.

    It is a prelude to confiscation, and after the first few people claim to have "lost" all or most of their guns, the gov. will probably pass a new retroactive law covering this particular "loophole", but at this point in time they still can't hold you accountable if your firearm is "lost" or otherwise not in your possession, unless they can find the firearm itself and prove that you sold it illegally.

    Also, you can just move your firearms out of the state (or claim you did), and there is currently nothing they can do about that as SB941 is a state law, not a federal law - which is one major reason why the anti-gunners are trying to pass similar laws in other states. But even if they pass the same laws elsewhere, there are still things you can do that allow for plausible deniability - e.g., there will be gaps in time between when the law is passed in one state and when it is passed in another state. There are a number of things a gun owner can do - but none of them are 100% safe or convenient - IMO.

    But bad things can happen if they catch you with the firearms, or catch someone else with them.

    The best thing would be to repeal the law and pass a law that would prevent this from happening again, and/or to fight the law through the court system and get it declared unconstitutional. This is not impossible; pro-gun advocates have made some progress in legal areas that people would have bet against ten years ago. The key is to not give up and keep fighting.
     
  19. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    perhaps a change in goverment:rolleyes:
     
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  20. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    :D king makers have decided who your government is going to be already...