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Been thinking on a modern M14 as a new primary, your thoughts?

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by JWest, Sep 8, 2010.

  1. JWest

    JWest Lake Stevens Active Member

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    I have been considering moving from my AR variant to a M14 type like the socom 2 in a pistol gripped modstock with vertical post grip with a Trijicon Acog.
    I am still looking into this and have some more research to do before I decide but I would appreciate any pros, cons ect.
     
  2. Silverbullet-2

    Silverbullet-2 Issaquah Member

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    That is a great combo. M-1A with a Trijicon 4X with the 7.62 reticule. Good to 600 yards easy. Another optic that would be great is a Trijicon 1.25-4X with the lit german post. Them's cool as well. JPG
     
  3. spengo

    spengo GLORIOUS CASCADIA Active Member

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    If you're looking for a modern .308, have you considered the LMT L129A1? It is the same as an SR-25, just cheaper and made by LMT instead of KAC (though KAC worked with them on this one). You get to keep the familiar ergonomics of your AR-15 too.
     
  4. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    You have to customize a good cheek weld or have a stock that can adjust for cheek weld. Otherwise you can't easily use the iron sights even with a quick detachable scope. M1A/M14 is a battle rifle that is great for long range or precision engagement, but its not a cqb weapon. Fire it indoors or next to a wall without ear protection if you truly foresee using it for self defense in a cqb scenario...
     
  5. UncalledForGabe

    UncalledForGabe Aloha Or. Member

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    I prefer the M1 action to the AR action any day. Less quirky little problems in my opinion. Check out a SOCOM for cqb style.
     
  6. JWest

    JWest Lake Stevens Active Member

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    I have been eyeballing the SOCOM 2 with Modstock kit like this one

    M14, M1A, SOCOM Series Modstock - Vltor Weapons Systems

    My primary I consider mostly for protecting the wagon so to speak as I have a decent sized family so I have been giving some thought to sacrificing a bit of weight for power.
     
  7. UncalledForGabe

    UncalledForGabe Aloha Or. Member

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    Heck yeah! My kind of rifle.

    Actually, I kinda like the Super Match myself.
     
  8. unionguy

    unionguy Portland Active Member

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    I'm a FAL guy myself, but happy to see you going the .308 route!
     
  9. Samurai

    Samurai Monroe, Wa. Member

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    My opinion, make sure you've handled some of these before you spend that money. I am an AR-10 guy, but I have buddies who hate the AR ergonomics. I really think the main difference is preference, and how the gun feels to you. I find the M1 variants really nose-heavy, and they don't have as many options for sight mounts and stocks. I took a DPMS LR-308 with a 16" barrel, had it profiled down to lighten the weight, and put a UBR buttstock on it. The thing balances out so well. I finished it off with an Eotech and that's my fighting carbine. Another thing I love about the AR platform, I built a 21" Noveske barrelled upper for the same lower, with a 3-18 power scope. Now I have a fighting carbine that turns into a precision rifle in about 1 minute.
     
  10. TapRackNGo

    TapRackNGo PNW Well-Known Member

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    What he said. This is next on my list.
     
  11. The Cheese

    The Cheese somewhere special Member

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    they are great guns, but I don't know. I think i would rather have an AR-10 variant myself as they are easier to put an optic on, easier to work on and have pretty good ergonomics IMO. But I do dig the old garand action. Its great and super reliable. So if it were me, i would get both. And get an RFB :D
     
  12. rayd8

    rayd8 Formerly Portland, now Alabama! Member

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    If you want an ACOG on a 'modern' M14, you'll need to go with a Troy Modular Chassis system as the standard Socom, Socom II, and Sage EBR won't provide you with enough eye relief. The Troy rail goes all the way back, in fact attaching in place of the rear sight.

    It is possible, and I've seen ACOGs mounted to a rail that replaces the stripper clip guide, but they don't instill confidence (IMO).

    In the past year, I've become a huge fan of the M14 and variants......just something about 308.....Good choice :)
     
  13. gearhead

    gearhead NC Active Member

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    +1

    I have a 3x ACOG on my FAL, and trust me, you won't regret spending the money on a trijicon product. Crystal clear glass, and the built in BDC is great.
     
  14. sweetbeard

    sweetbeard Beavertown OreGUN! New Member

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    waste of money don't do it.. unless you wanna be ninja
     
  15. BillCh

    BillCh Vancouver Active Member

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    Is this kind of what you were thinking?
    MK14 Mod 1
    Short range optics mounted.
    NF 2.5 x 10 in foreground.

    Easy to handle with Aimpoint mounted and stock collapsed.


    TheHot-SwapSet-upSM.jpg
     
  16. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    In my opinion, the .308 is the best all-around caliber for TSHF and hunting both. There are a number of good rifles for it. Even a bolt action could be considered.
     
  17. JWest

    JWest Lake Stevens Active Member

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    Ya thats along the lines of what I was thinking.
    :thumbup:
     
  18. The Quiet Man

    The Quiet Man rural Washington County, Oregon Active Member

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    Your thinking is outstanding, and I share your interest in the Socom platform. I have considered the same upgrade in caliber but upon reflection have decided to stay with my Mini-14's. My primary issue is the thick woods and resultant limited shooting distances in my area. Also contributing to my decision is the fact that I am pushing 60 years old and the idea of "bugging out" in the event of civil unrest or disaster is limited to being forced out by fire. I live in the country and will die here if it comes to that. I have scoped and unscoped hunting rifles for any longer shots that may be needed, but any significant shooting out here will be limited in distance by the trees and terrain. My choices would likely be different if I were needing to "flee for the hills" (thankfully, I am already there) or thought I would be in an area where long shots were the norm rather than the exception. Just my rambling 2 cents...
     
  19. BillCh

    BillCh Vancouver Active Member

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    In my opinion, some pros and cons.

    Cons:
    -Heavy, weighs more than the average AR. Ammo is heavy too.
    -Expensive, AR's are a dime a dozen.
    -Recoil, even with powder puff loads you still have to hang on.

    Pros:
    -Power, 'Nuff said.
    -Reliability, Less sensitive to dirt than some.
    -Versatility, Short range, long range, no problem.

    B
     
  20. dream45

    dream45 SE Portland Member

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    I love the m-14. I am a wood and steel guy with no military experience, but an appreciation for the .30 Garand style.

    Clint Smith has a great article on its role in today's world that I must agree with.

    M1A: a rifle for close spaces or far places | Guns Magazine | Find Articles at BNET

    I have done long range shooting with my "Loaded" full sized M1a. I love hitting a 18 inch steal gong at 600 yards with open sights and a spotter, and have done so while my AR15 buddies with $1,200 ACOGS are dancing in the wind. After reading Clints article I think my 22inch barrel would be best served by putting an 18 inch on it for increased maneuverability

    I can see the benefit of punching through things with a .30 cal, but don't think I would be engaging targets at 600 yards in a bug out situation.

    That being said you should get one anyway.