Because of the results of the last election…anyone moving?

[Xaevian]

Better research the Electoral College, think about how this escapism of the political Right means that Socialist Democrats will start out every presidential election with 300 electoral college votes. What just happened in Oregon will happen at the federal level.

Well it is a "college", so of course it is a bastion of authoritarianism.

 

[SixgunSymphony]

Well it is a "college", so of course it is a bastion of authoritarianism.

So said the the gun grabbing Left in the 2000 election as the electoral college system has prevented a few overpopulated hive cities like NYC, LA, and CHI from determining the fate of the country.

What's the purpose of the Electoral College?

The Electoral College is the process we use to elect the U.S. president. Established in the U.S. Constitution, its purpose is to spread the power to elect the president across all 50 states. It was designed to ensure that the more populous states didn't overpower the smaller states when choosing the nation's leader.

 

[Xaevian]

So said the the gun grabbing Left in the 2000 election as the electoral college system has prevented a few overpopulated hive cities like NYC, LA, and CHI from determining the fate of the country.

Think you might've missed the college reference.

Look up how many congressional seats moved with voters during covid. That is also a big movement of tax revenue as well. Think of the businesses that are shuttering and/or moving to escape increasing tax burdens and rampant crime.

The country has always been fairly evenly split between the two ruling elite parties. That will never really change. Pretty rare for a president to win >60% popular vote, which matters for my point that nowhere is fully on one side or the other. And yes, I understand how the electoral college works.

Things have a way of naturally finding a balance, at least in this country.

 

[nwslopoke]

One thing that would help Oregon is to get grandparents out of southern Oregon and back to the city. Say in October/November to help with the grandkids. Apparently only 50,000 or so would make a huge difference.

 

[SixgunSymphony]

Think you might've missed the college reference.

Look up how many congressional seats moved with voters during covid. That is also a big movement of tax revenue as well. Think of the businesses that are shuttering and/or moving to escape increasing tax burdens and rampant crime.

The country has always been fairly evenly split between the two ruling elite parties. That will never really change. Pretty rare for a president to win >60% popular vote, which matters for my point that nowhere is fully on one side or the other. And yes, I understand how the electoral college works.

Things have a way of naturally finding a balance, at least in this country.

We were discussing the electoral college system. As for your comment about movement of people and businesses to more conservative states. Well those are Democrat voters moving to conservative states and many of those businesses will continue to donate money to the DNC and to Left wing causes like gun control.
The ruling elites of both parties are much the same on issues like immigration. It is why Mitt Romney was marching with BLM and the long term result will be an overwhelming voting majority for socialist Democrats. Republicans like Mittens desires cheap labor to suppress wages. They know that Democrats will have the future, it just means their kids and grandkids will run for public office as Democrats.

 

[benchmark]

I've spent way too much time organizing my reloading bench the way I like it. Plus, I'm getting old and don't feel like going thru the hassle of fixing up another house to live in.

 

[MichaelH]

Multnomah often does not prosecute Felons in possession of firearms.

But want your hi caps.

Right. Stats and sources?

 

[Jay Walk]

Right. Stats and sources?

"Words" out of the County DA's mouth yesterday.

 

[MichaelH]

Reported where? Never heard of a prosecutor not hot to tack on a felony in possession, especially a liberal prosecutor.

 

[Bobbygun]

Reported where? Never heard of a prosecutor not hot to tack on a felony in possession, especially a liberal prosecutor.

Quite common down here in Lane County. The local Neighborhood Watch did an amazing job of posting pics and tracking a somewhat local dude that was breaking into multiple homes. There were pictures aplenty of him finally getting taken down by the police at a local store. Everyone was patting themselves on the back. Until about 30 days later when the guy was back out and at it. One of his "charges" was felon in possession. All we hear from the local DA is how they don't have enough qualified prosecutors, or enough public defenders so everyone gets a "get out of jail free" card.

I wonder if the number of felon in possession arrests might not diminish dramatically if it was an automatic 10 or even 5-year jail stint instead of the revolving door we currently have. Of course, if the voters were to pass such a "draconian" measure, it would either be ignored, or the legislature would overturn it.

 

[nwslopoke]

Reported where? Never heard of a prosecutor not hot to tack on a felony in possession, especially a liberal prosecutor.

One thing you can say about Portland and DA Mike Schmidt, justice IS blind.

 

[3MTA3]

One thing you can say about Portland and DA Mike Schmidt, justice IS blind.

Only in the left eye. A law abiding citizen unaware of MultCo firearm transportation law could find themself in a whole world of hurt.

 

[Mikej]

Add to that fact people voted in 114 even after record number of gun purchases during the covid BS….

FOUR counties in the entire state voted for that law. I'd say only those counties should be the only ones to a adhere to that law. I'd just move to a free county, let those that voted for it live with it. Put a damned wall around them like the prisons they are.

 

[SLEDDER]

I have a home in Northern Idaho. Within a year I will be a Idaho resident. Oregon can pack sand!

 

[uberguy]

Reported where? Never heard of a prosecutor not hot to tack on a felony in possession, especially a liberal prosecutor.

Charging decisions in blue cities and counties are almost entirely based on equity, meaning racial composition. Soros is wining.

 

[SixgunSymphony]

Reported where? Never heard of a prosecutor not hot to tack on a felony in possession, especially a liberal prosecutor.

Many of the George Soros district attorneys gave Anarchists and BLM a free pass on looting, arson, and assault/battery during seven months of riots in 2020. Police would make arrests, then have to release the rioters as these progressive DA's refused to prosecute them. These progressive DA's wage lawfare to get radical social change.

 

[SixgunSymphony]

I have a home in Northern Idaho. Within a year I will be a Idaho resident. Oregon can pack sand!

Democrats have attached gun control legislation to the defense budget being voted on today. Moving from one state to another is no escape from federal law. There is no refuge in escapism, it is delusion.

Better get active in politics. Don't have time? Make time if you really cherish your 2A right to keep and bear arms.

 

[MichaelH]

I'm really interested if Schmidt said out loud that the DA's office wasn't prosecuting felon in possession cases, and, if so what the rationale for that decision. If someone can point to a quote in a reputable paper or a recent broadcast where he says that--specifically felon in possession cases--I want to hear it. I understand equity arguments in charging decisions, especially regarding property and public offense crimes--whether you agree or not--because the DA has historically dramatically overcharged everybody to create serious risk for defendants to extract plea deals from them. Some of the charging is for measure 11 crimes where the evidence is pretty skinny, but the risk to the defendant's liberty, long-term, is pretty serious. I've got a buddy who was caught selling something he shouldn't have and when the police searched his home they found a pistol and charged him will selling drugs with a weapon that would have dramatically increased his potential sentence, so he pled guilty with diversion and only got his gun rights restored after 25 years of being an upstanding successful citizen. I know another guy who got charged with DV and pled guilty--even though it was self-defense-- because he didn't want to miss work and he could enter diversion and get the plea expunged.

Maybe they have over-chaged more for brown folks (or at least those that they thought might have gang involvement) but it's pretty clear DA's have done it for everyone, the equity piece is more white folks can afford private counsel to push on the DA to get charges reduced.

OH, hey! Schmidt was just on the radio saying some felony in possession cases have been dismissed. He doesn't want the cases to be dismissed. The problem is there aren't enough PD's and if someone who is charged can't be given a lawyer in a reasonable period of time the court dismisses their case regardless of the DA's preferences. The state has never paid PD's similarly to DA's and state public defense organizations have 30% less PD's then they need. Apparently there really is not process for the DA to determine whether lawyers are available for public defense or not, so the DA's are triaging cases in how they charge them and are not seriously pursuing charges if there wasn't a direct victim, which actually could be felon in possession if the defendant was arrested for some crime without a direct victim. The Constitution also ensures that Defendants' have a right to a speedy trial and a right to counsel too. The criminal justice system only works with two sides.

 

[MichaelH]

Democrats have attached gun control legislation to the defense budget being voted on today. Moving from one state to another is no escape from federal law. There is no refuge in escapism, it is delusion.

Better get active in politics. Don't have time? Make time if you really cherish your 2A right to keep and bear arms.

Seems likely to get stripped out in the Senate.

 

[Jay Walk]

I'm really interested if Schmidt said out loud that the DA's office wasn't prosecuting felon in possession cases, and, if so what the rationale for that decision. If someone can point to a quote in a reputable paper or a recent broadcast where he says that--specifically felon in possession cases--I want to hear it. I understand equity arguments in charging decisions, especially regarding property and public offense crimes--whether you agree or not--because the DA has historically dramatically overcharged everybody to create serious risk for defendants to extract plea deals from them. Some of the charging is for measure 11 crimes where the evidence is pretty skinny, but the risk to the defendant's liberty, long-term, is pretty serious. I've got a buddy who was caught selling something he shouldn't have and when the police searched his home they found a pistol and charged him will selling drugs with a weapon that would have dramatically increased his potential sentence, so he pled guilty with diversion and only got his gun rights restored after 25 years of being an upstanding successful citizen. I know another guy who got charged with DV and pled guilty--even though it was self-defense-- because he didn't want to miss work and he could enter diversion and get the plea expunged.

Maybe they have over-chaged more for brown folks (or at least those that they thought might have gang involvement) but it's pretty clear DA's have done it for everyone, the equity piece is more white folks can afford private counsel to push on the DA to get charges reduced.

OH, hey! Schmidt was just on the radio saying some felony in possession cases have been dismissed. He doesn't want the cases to be dismissed. The problem is there aren't enough PD's and if someone who is charged can't be given a lawyer in a reasonable period of time the court dismisses their case regardless of the DA's preferences. The state has never paid PD's similarly to DA's and state public defense organizations have 30% less PD's then they need. Apparently there really is not process for the DA to determine whether lawyers are available for public defense or not, so the DA's are triaging cases in how they charge them and are not seriously pursuing charges if there wasn't a direct victim, which actually could be felon in possession if the defendant was arrested for some crime without a direct victim. The Constitution also ensures that Defendants' have a right to a speedy trial and a right to counsel too. The criminal justice system only works with two sides.

Live video interview last night on KOIN 6 news.