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It’s okay to say that you don’t like it here and want to leave. Unless you are a complete jerk you will make friends again somewhere new. It is beautiful in Oregon and there are some wonderful people here. But like many of you I’ve lived in in several states and traveled the world and I have observed there are a lot of beautiful places and there are wonderful people everywhere. If you are an urban person there are bigger cleaner cities out there with better restaurants and more direct flights and better entertainment options than there is in Portland. Portland is not the greatest city in the United States. People become so offended whenever anyone points this out. I’ve personally been told to eff off and “leave” several times for saying this.

Measure 114 is not the only reason people want to leave Oregon. For a lot of us living in the Willamette Valley it has become increasingly uncomfortable. As someone here has already pointed out, the Libertarianism of the early 90s has morphed into this awful Authoritarianism. It started with Occupy Wall Street and has now infected the suburbs. People just assume you agree with them on all of the BS. And if you are not on message, woe unto you.

My business and my family are here so I cannot go anywhere. One day I will retire in a different state. In the meantime my plan is to keep a low profile and resist the urge to punch people in the face. But if I was a young person and I was having trouble making connections here I would explore my options. It’s a big world out there, most people are good if you are good. Do not be afraid. If you are unhappy with Oregon there are other options besides Idaho and Texas. Life is too short to be miserable.
 
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I'm going to spend the next 4 to 6 months saving up for my CDL, take the 6 week course, and then look for jobs in Idaho. I MIGHT stay here for an additional year and get some road experience under my belt with a company, probably Rohl, and then I'll have better finances to move. But if someone in Idaho is willing to hire me with no experience, I'll take it. Won't have money for a house, but I'm hoping I can rent a little hovel somewhere until I do.
 
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Where are you going to move to when the Left has won the culture war in Idaho and Texas?

Were are you going to flee when freedom is lost in all states?
There's
Alaska
The Dakotas
Nebraska
Oklahoma-maybe?
Utah
Wyoming
Tennessee maybe
Kansas
Arkansas
Alabama
West Virginia
Indiana
Missouri
Mississippi
Louisiana (even with New Orleans)
South Carolina
 
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There's
Alaska
The Dakotas
Nebraska
Oklahoma-maybe?
Utah
Wyoming
Tennessee maybe
Kansas
Arkansas
Alabama
West Virginia
Indiana
Missouri
Mississippi
Louisiana (even with New Orleans)
South Carolina
You are going to someday flee from those areas too. There is no refuge is escapism.

When the country is lost, are you planning on moving to Canada or Mexico?
 
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You are going to someday flee from those areas too. There is no refuge is escapism.

When the country is lost, are you planning on moving to Canada or Mexico?
These I listed previously are the "most conservative States" in the US, (plus Montana and Idaho though these are falling it seems) with the following being "more conservative than average", IE mostly Republican/red with strong liberal/Democratic cities...

Arizona
New Mexico
Texas
Ohio
Kentucky
North Carolina

It is worth noting that most of the "strongly conservative States" are also places where there's a high likelihood of Constitutional Carry/permitless carry and are also places that tend to be the butt of Leftist jokes and put-downs.. places that the average Democrat don't want to stay long in.
 
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You are going to someday flee from those areas too. There is no refuge is escapism.

When the country is lost, are you planning on moving to Canada or Mexico?
Oregon is not a ball and chain. As stated the gun rights is one issue. Finance and housing are other big issues. The last few years of emergency actions also didn't help. Both my wife and me potentially could have lost our jobs. In several other states, that wasn't an issue.

Oregon is failing at every opportunity to right itself. On one hand there are signs of change but some how 🤔, don't know what it could be, it's not happening.
 
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There's
Alaska
The Dakotas
Nebraska
Oklahoma-maybe?
Utah
Wyoming
Tennessee maybe
Kansas
Arkansas
Alabama
West Virginia
Indiana
Missouri
Mississippi
Louisiana (even with New Orleans)
South Carolina
But there’s only real surf in Alaska, and that’s just too cold. The Gulf Coast doesn’t count—no groundswell ever—and the Atlantic in South Carolina normally has smaller waves than the Columbia in the Gorge during summer (also really hot and humid). I guess if had to move I’d go SC. My mom used to live outside of Charleston, my in-laws live in Greenville and the outer banks are close. Housing is cheaper away from the coast but near Charleston you're looking at PDX prices.If you like to fish the low country is pretty awesome. Probably no elk for 1000 miles though.

That’s if I had to. If money was no object and we’re limited to the mainland US—I’d move to Barcelona tomorrow if I could and wouldn’t miss my firearms at all—I would move places no one on this forum would: San Francisco and New York City, followed by SLO, Santa Cruz, and San Diego (but coastal S CA freaks me out bc of lack of h2o and possible big earthquakes). Honestly, quality of life is a huge balance of pros, cons, and interests. My unfettered access to a tool that the likelihood I’ll ever need to defend myself is so incredibly small, can’t possibly be a logical consideration for me in choosing where to live.

I like guns so I voted against 114, but I like Oregon, so I’ll live with it’s requirements until the 9th Circuit or the Supremes say otherwise. Yes, the capacity restrictions are a bummer, for resale, purchasing, carrying, and range fun, but I still have funsticks loaded with 147gr JHP in my PCC for home defense. I’ll have to buy some 10 round magazines now for shooting on public lands, and I might consider revolvers or 1911s I hadn’t considered before for future purchases. Sure, all regulation is a slippery slope, but we have a bench of USSC justices that are openly hostile to gun control, so that’s a smaller worry.
 
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We're all moving to Murphy!
I recently moved back to WA, I just haven't changed my profile here. That said, I am noticing change in Idaho as there are California style suburbs starting up in small Idaho towns like Kuna. I am reminded of the rampant growth in Washington during the 1980s which brought significant cultural changes that favors the Left.
 
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But there’s only real surf in Alaska, and that’s just too cold. The Gulf Coast doesn’t count—no groundswell ever—and the Atlantic in South Carolina normally has smaller waves than the Columbia in the Gorge during summer (also really hot and humid). I guess if had to move I’d go SC. My mom used to live outside of Charleston, my in-laws live in Greenville and the outer banks are close. Housing is cheaper away from the coast but near Charleston you're looking at PDX prices.If you like to fish the low country is pretty awesome. Probably no elk for 1000 miles though.

That’s if I had to. If money was no object and we’re limited to the mainland US—I’d move to Barcelona tomorrow if I could and wouldn’t miss my firearms at all—I would move places no one on this forum would: San Francisco and New York City, followed by SLO, Santa Cruz, and San Diego (but coastal S CA freaks me out bc of lack of h2o and possible big earthquakes). Honestly, quality of life is a huge balance of pros, cons, and interests. My unfettered access to a tool that the likelihood I’ll ever need to defend myself is so incredibly small, can’t possibly be a logical consideration for me in choosing where to live.

I like guns so I voted against 114, but I like Oregon, so I’ll live with it’s requirements until the 9th Circuit or the Supremes say otherwise. Yes, the capacity restrictions are a bummer, for resale, purchasing, carrying, and range fun, but I still have funsticks loaded with 147gr JHP in my PCC for home defense. I’ll have to buy some 10 round magazines now for shooting on public lands, and I might consider revolvers or 1911s I hadn’t considered before for future purchases. Sure, all regulation is a slippery slope, but we have a bench of USSC justices that are openly hostile to gun control, so that’s a smaller worry.
Surf the Mississippi on barges? :s0064:
 
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But there’s only real surf in Alaska, and that’s just too cold. The Gulf Coast doesn’t count—no groundswell ever—and the Atlantic in South Carolina normally has smaller waves than the Columbia in the Gorge during summer (also really hot and humid). I guess if had to move I’d go SC. My mom used to live outside of Charleston, my in-laws live in Greenville and the outer banks are close. Housing is cheaper away from the coast but near Charleston you're looking at PDX prices.If you like to fish the low country is pretty awesome. Probably no elk for 1000 miles though.

That’s if I had to. If money was no object and we’re limited to the mainland US—I’d move to Barcelona tomorrow if I could and wouldn’t miss my firearms at all—I would move places no one on this forum would: San Francisco and New York City, followed by SLO, Santa Cruz, and San Diego (but coastal S CA freaks me out bc of lack of h2o and possible big earthquakes). Honestly, quality of life is a huge balance of pros, cons, and interests. My unfettered access to a tool that the likelihood I’ll ever need to defend myself is so incredibly small, can’t possibly be a logical consideration for me in choosing where to live.

I like guns so I voted against 114, but I like Oregon, so I’ll live with it’s requirements until the 9th Circuit or the Supremes say otherwise. Yes, the capacity restrictions are a bummer, for resale, purchasing, carrying, and range fun, but I still have funsticks loaded with 147gr JHP in my PCC for home defense. I’ll have to buy some 10 round magazines now for shooting on public lands, and I might consider revolvers or 1911s I hadn’t considered before for future purchases. Sure, all regulation is a slippery slope, but we have a bench of USSC justices that are openly hostile to gun control, so that’s a smaller worry.
Reading this, I couldn't help thinking of Jo Dee Messina:

Heads Carolina, tails California
Somewhere greener, somewhere warmer
Up in the mountains, down by the ocean
Where it don't matter, long as we're goin'
Somewhere together, I've got a quarter
Heads Carolina, tails California

:s0056:
 
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I recently moved back to WA, I just haven't changed my profile here. That said, I am noticing change in Idaho as there are California style suburbs starting up in small Idaho towns like Kuna. I am reminded of the rampant growth in Washington during the 1980s which brought significant cultural changes that favors the Left.
I get it. MT has the 3rd highest suicide rate in the country. People are dying to move here.
 
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Perhaps my fault for the way I worded the initial post, however, measure 114 was simply the last straw to break the camels back. There are other measures that passed as well which I feel are going to lead to even more taxes and expenses for Oregon.

I’ll state it right here. I do not believe we are ever going to come back from where we are. If after 2+ years of antifa riots, vandalization of local businesses, trying to burn down police departments, police being told to stand down, allowing antifa to direct traffic with zero interference from the police, legalization of drugs, etc etc etc people aren’t pissed off to turn this state red, then I don’t know what WILL cause people to want change.

The homelessness, rampant drug use, and all this being catered to by the left, they clearly want more of the same.

Add to that fact people voted in 114 even after record number of gun purchases during the covid BS….

I have students that I know FOR SURE voted for this measure even though I had warned them about it and posted sheriffs responses to the measure. So even our own Ranks think it’s a good idea.

I have researched other states and I understand what many of you are saying about them turning blue. I’m not sure that will happen in my lifetime based on feedback from others living in those states. If it does, it will be a long time coming. I’ve also heard from people living in freedom states that it’s quite possible their pro-2nd amendment ranks will strengthen as more people flee the tyrany of other states.

So no, I don’t believe it’s a matter (at this point) of people staying and fighting for their rights. This state has been blue for many many years. Again, if people have just voted for more of the same, I see no turning back.

Of course, JMO.

Even if somehow this measure gets overturned, the fact is that the majority of people voted FOR it! They don’t want to protect their god given rights like we do. Obviously compromise is good for them. I feel this is going to continue to down the path we are on.

Next up is an assault weapons ban. Mark my words. LEVO has already stated they’ll be pushing for this next year and if it doesn’t pass, the year after.

The government here in this state is corrupt. They will always lean left and continue to erode our gun rights.
 
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Perhaps my fault for the way I worded the initial post, however, measure 114 was simply the last straw to break the camels back. There are other measures that passed as well which I feel are going to lead to even more taxes and expenses for Oregon.

I’ll state it right here. I do not believe we are ever going to come back from where we are. If after 2+ years of antifa riots, vandalization of local businesses, trying to burn down police departments, police being told to stand down, allowing antifa to direct traffic with zero interference from the police, legalization of drugs, etc etc etc people aren’t pissed off to turn this state red, then I don’t know what WILL cause people to want change.

The homelessness, rampant drug use, and all this being catered to by the left, they clearly want more of the same.

Add to that fact people voted in 114 even after record number of gun purchases during the covid BS….

I have students that I know FOR SURE voted for this measure even though I had warned them about it and posted sheriffs responses to the measure. So even our own Ranks think it’s a good idea.

I have researched other states and I understand what many of you are saying about them turning blue. I’m not sure that will happen in my lifetime based on feedback from others living in those states. If it does, it will be a long time coming. I’ve also heard from people living in freedom states that it’s quite possible their pro-2nd amendment ranks will strengthen as more people flee the tyrany of other states.

So no, I don’t believe it’s a matter (at this point) of people staying and fighting for their rights. This state has been blue for many many years. Again, if people have just voted for more of the same, I see no turning back.

Of course, JMO.

Even if somehow this measure gets overturned, the fact is that the majority of people voted FOR it! They don’t want to protect their god given rights like we do. Obviously compromise is good for them. I feel this is going to continue to down the path we are on.

Next up is an assault weapons ban. Mark my words. LEVO has already stated they’ll be pushing for this next year and if it doesn’t pass, the year after.

The government here in this state is corrupt. They will always lean left and continue to erode our gun rights.
Nailed it.
 
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I have researched other states and I understand what many of you are saying about them turning blue. I’m not sure that will happen in my lifetime based on feedback from others living in those states. If it does, it will be a long time coming. I’ve also heard from people living in freedom states that it’s quite possible their pro-2nd amendment ranks will strengthen as more people flee the tyrany of other states.
Better research the Electoral College, think about how this escapism of the political Right means that Socialist Democrats will start out every presidential election with 300 electoral college votes. What just happened in Oregon will happen at the federal level.
 

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