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Background check surge continues....

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Dave Workman, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    If 10% of the general public is for gun control they would call it a "landslide" for gun control and ignore the other 90% against.
     
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  3. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    There is much credence to what you say. But don't kid yourself. A majority favor some sort of check, including gun owners.

    It's gun bans and more general gun control measures the public doesn't like
     
  4. Glock Jock

    Glock Jock Wilsonville , OR Well-Known Member

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    I love that all the comments on that facebook page is pro-gun. haha
     
  5. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Strange, none of the gun owners I know are for any more background checks than what we now have and most are for less.
     
  6. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    So, 412 voters were polled for this? That's not a very significant number IMHO!
     
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    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    Squidly Sandy Active Member

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    Cherry picking?
     
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    bnsaibum Corvallis, OR Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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    206thsense Seattle, WA, USA Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Hrmmm... "Washington Alliance for Gun Responsibility", eh? And how many members of this group actually own guns?

    Want to promote responsibility? How putting money toward free firearms safety classes for newbies, more low-cost public ranges with safety staff, or heck, even money for school programs that teach kids basic gun safety?

    Oh, and good job to the rational, logical guys who have already posted counter-arguments on the group's FB page. NICE!
     
  12. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    I didnt equate the two, the OP did. Try and keep up:)
     
  13. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Actually, Elway is seen as a fairly accurate poll by the people who follow polls. But past polling by Gallup and others comes in right about the same place in support for background checks.
    Slimer...now THAT would be a biased poll with very little if any credibility beyond the confines of this forum. We can entertain each other all we want, but major public opinion surveys go the other way.
     
  14. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    There's no evidence of that. From all indications, this was a random sampling poll. Genuine pollsters are pretty scrupulous about how they conduct a poll because that's how they maintain credibility, and how they get more clients.

    I'd be far less inclined to believe a poll done by Mayors Against Illegal Guns or the NRA.

    The best polling is done by independent professional pollsters and even then there's a degree of doubt among certain groups.
     
  15. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    So this NICS numbers, is this for gun purchases only or is it all NICS checks?
     
  16. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well, no, that's not what I was suggesting at all. If you look at polling data (pick any of them, check on Google for Rasmussen, Gallup, whomever) it's been pretty consistent that background checks are favored by more people that opposed.

    But the level of checking is where one might see some fall-off.

    For example, say I ran a poll asking "Do you support background checks for all firearms transactions, including gun shows?" you would get a certain level of support, let's say 67-70%

    However, if the question was framed, "Do you support background checks for all firearm transactions that requires record-keeping by the seller, even if he is a private person?" you might get a different level of support, say 50-55% because to a lot of people would look at that and see "gun registration!"

    Of course, these are hypotheticals, but the bottom line is that in one form or another, background checks seem to consistently get the nod from the general public. That's why I said "in one form or another."
     
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    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    That's all NICS checks and even NICS makes it plain that not all of these checks signify a completed firearm transaction.
     
  18. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Maybe someone here can answer this:

    Some anti-gun nuts say that a poll was conducted that showed 74% of NRA members wanted more background checks. Does anyone know if a poll like that was actually conducted and by who?
     
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    How is it biased? I keep getting told that "most" gun owners and NRA members support UBC's and simply do not believe it. Are we not a bunch of gun owners?

    You could make the argument that NWFA members are more extreme than your average gun owner simply because they are on here but I know lots of family and friends who own a gun for agricultural or hunting reasons and rarely shoot recreationaly and not one support ANY further GC in any form. I would expect this to be the case in most of the remaining freeish areas of the US, so i grow tired of the media telling me constantly how I should support UBC's because nearly all gun owners support them.

    I also grow tired of the little by little erosion of our rights. The antis should go for what they want...confiscation and until then leave me be.
     
  20. kumabear17

    kumabear17 Issaquah Active Member

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    I think the question regarding background check polls still revolves around, not just the sample and where it was taken, but the actual question asked and the knowledge base of the people responding. First, I do not like any kind of background check system. I simply do not trust the Government to keep their word and not maintain a record. Second, I can see if there was a phone number one could call to validate a buyer was qualified to purchase firearm there could be value. I think that’s what some people perceive or as an alternative believe you could just go to a police station or FFL and do the same thing. They don't realize there would be a fee, sales tax and a record kept. Now the anti-gunners who say yes on a poll want a high fee, heavy tax and complete records kept forever. I just wonder why pro-gun people keep inferring (my understanding) the polls justify we need to do something and background checks seem the easiest.