Austrailian View on USA and our love of Guns

[RicInOR]

I did get a warning that their certificate has expired -

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/r...urce=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link


When I saw this, I thought they would be staunch Anti's -

Unplanned America: It turns out that America's gun nuts are really hard to argue with


Too bad these Aussies seem to have had a good time - shooting and eating and visiting.

They also identified with the view point problem - Australians do not understand that the 2nd amendment exists to keep the government in check.

But, I take it now to mean, they have started to see things from our point of view - and our position is solid.

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[3MTA3]

It's not ingrained into their culture, so they will only understand once its too late.

 

[Stomper]

I'm married to an Aussie woman (who now FULLY "gets it" about the 2A), and I can tell you that it's a "commonwealth subject not a citizen" mindset.

Our country was forged in blood, theirs was not. It's a cultural mindset difference but when logical facts and arguments are presented, more often than not they'll go from a "why does anyone think thy need a gun?", to "yeah, I never thought about that!"

As more and more "immigrant extremists" start doing what they have done in Australia (hostage taking, murdering gays, plotting to behead random people, etc) it's going to sway their mindset even further back to an individual right to bear arms.

It's just too danged bad that it'll take more lost lives to trigger that "tipping point".

 

[PaulB47]

Most people find it hard to think outside societal norms, even norms that make no sense on their face. Part of our tribal heritage...

 

[3MTA3]

Most people find it hard to think outside societal norms, even norms that make no sense on their face. Part of our tribal heritage...

Its because we evolved from lemmings and not monkeys as we have been so often told. Life would be much easier if all we had to do was dodge the occasional crap flinging - instead we have to deal with perpetual group stupidity.

 

[albin25]

America...a nation founded by people escaping oppression and searching for a better life based on freedom and self-determination...and more than willing to take up arms to tell the King to find a new place to put his crown. Needed our guns to do it then...may eventually need to use them again.

Australia...a nation founded as a prison to hold people who didn't want to be there doing time to pay their debt to society, hoping to return home someday to once again happily live under the thumb of their King.
Only the King's men had guns...and eventually turned the few citizens that had aquired guns back into subjects...and didn't fire a shot

 

[Brutus57]

I find it very entertaining when non Americans lecture us on firearms, particularly Australia which only because of us is not speaking Japanese now.

PS link did not work.
Brutus Out

 

[erudne]

I used o live in Australia, prior to the Socialist confiscations, paid for with tax dollars.
The blokes I knew had access to a wide variety of firearms, depending on the state. Silencers were over-the-counter items. new firearms were 3Xs as expensive as they are here but good deals were had on 303s and other surplus like Egyptian Madi rifles. The best time I had was when I used a set-trigger Bruno 22LR to drop a running fox, at sunset, at well over 100 yards. I also harvested around 1000 Hares w/a silenced single shot 22. My acquaintances would simply hand me a rifle and ammo and tell me to return it to the kitchen corner where it came from when I was done. BTW the fishing was surprisingly good as well.
Though Aussies bled for the Crown thier only moments of martial pride are enshrined in Galipoli, that cavalry charge around the same time, and the Kokoda Trail in WW2 which was a fair dinkum test of manhood, an incredible feat of endurance.

 

[RicInOR]

@Brutus57

https://www.news.com.au/

Then found link as:
Insane gun that shouldn't exist

Which isn't really what the article is about.


It's News.Com. Australia Or Austria Or African Union.

 

[chemist]

No one has yet disproved Kleck's stats that 4,000 defensive gun uses per DAY in the USA almost always deter violence - and result in no one being shot.

Sydney (or London, for that matter) sees a lot of random street violence which they quaintly label as "hooliganism," because there's little negative consequence for the offenders.

But I also concur that the commonwealth subject - vs.- citizen mindset is the historical basis for their "patriotic passivity."

 

[John Gault]

Lets see... The great barrier reef and an accent the women love.... That's about all they have going that I'm aware of.

 

[mrblond]

If you bow to a Queen, you have no right to talk about us and our 2nd Amendment.

 

[tac]

Though Aussies bled for the Crown thier only moments of martial pride are enshrined in Galipoli, that cavalry charge around the same time, and the Kokoda Trail in WW2 which was a fair dinkum test of manhood, an incredible feat of endurance.

Oh, and -

Korea.

Vietnam.

Afghanistan.

tac

 

[bolus]

They should also list the number of actual civilian Americans who have actually driven a tank and owned a 50 BMG rifle when describing Americans.

Hey, you can drive a tank in Australia too
http://www.tankride.com.au/

Hey, here are some guys shooting a 50 BMG in Australia

Perhaps they should write an article on how we all own and fly Boeing 707's since Travolta owns one.

 

[Joe13]

Personally, I think we should stop comparing ourselves to other countries and ignore what they have to think about us.


It an apples to coconuts debate...

 

[PaulB47]

"Australia...a nation founded as a prison"

FYI:

The State of <broken link removed> for example was first founded by James Edward Oglethorpe by using penal prisoners taken largely from debtors' prison, creating a "Debtor's Colony". However, even though this largely failed, the idea that the state began as a penal has stayed both in popular history, and local lore.[1] The English also would often ship Irish and Scots to the Americas whenever rebellions took place in Ireland or Scotland, and they would be treated similar to the convicts, except that this also included women and children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_colony

 

[jonnyonthespot]

I'm married to an Aussie woman (who now FULLY "gets it" about the 2A), and I can tell you that it's a "commonwealth subject not a citizen" mindset.

Our country was forged in blood, theirs was not. It's a cultural mindset difference but when logical facts and arguments are presented, more often than not they'll go from a "why does anyone think thy need a gun?", to "yeah, I never thought about that!"

As more and more "immigrant extremists" start doing what they have done in Australia (hostage taking, murdering gays, plotting to behead random people, etc) it's going to sway their mindset even further back to an individual right to bear arms.

It's just too danged bad that it'll take more lost lives to trigger that "tipping point".

Are you kidding me, as an Australian I'

I'm mary to an Aussie woman (who now FULLY "gets it" about the 2A), and I can tell you that it's a "commonwealth subject not a citizen" mindset.

Our country was forged in blood, theirs was not. It's a cultural mindset difference but when logical facts and arguments are presented, more often than not they'll go from a "why does anyone think thy need a gun?", to "yeah, I never thought about that!"

As more and more "immigrant extremists" start doing what they have done in Australia (hostage taking, murdering gays, plotting to behead random people, etc) it's going to sway their mindset even further back to an individual right to bear arms.

It's just too danged bad that it'll take more lost lives to trigger that "tipping point".

Are you kidding me! I'm Australian. You should have your wife tell you about all the Aboragines we killed, and the lost generations that Australia forced to assimilate to Christianity. add to that the WWII evacuee children we abused and that generally speaking I'm sorry to say that Australians are about the most racist people in the world. The pomes didn't build that bubbleguming empire by being polite and drinking tea. I wouldn't be surprised if herr and mine ancestors were on the same transport ship.

 

[Stomper]

Are you kidding me, as an Australian I'


Are you kidding me! I'm Australian. You should have your wife tell you about all the Aboragines we killed, and the lost generations that Australia forced to assimilate to Christianity. add to that the WWII evacuee children we abused and that generally speaking I'm sorry to say that Australians are about the most racist people in the world. The pomes didn't build that bubbleguming empire by being polite and drinking tea. I wouldn't be surprised if herr and mine ancestors were on the same transport ship.

Her grandfather immigrated from Scotland (Lennox clan), so no (potato famine) "convicts" in the family tree. I know about the "lost generations", subjegating the aboriginals, the WW-II kidlets, and those horrid orphanages, etc.

What I mean by "forged in blood" is throwing King George out on his arse during the revolutionary war, while Australia still has their election of the PM "approved" by the queen. Given Aussie history at the hands of the British (like Galipoli) I'm often dismayed that there's still plenty of "royalists" in Australia (mostly the elderly, my mother in law among them).

 

[Goosebrown]

In WWI Australian troops were on the left of the Somme and although they avoided the disastrous first day they still lost 23,000 men in 45 days - 5500 the first day they were engaged, July 16th 1916.

Next year at Ypres they lost 38,000 men in 8 weeks.

Australia is a smallish country. At the end of WWI they'd lost 20% of the men they'd sent overseas.

I don't reckon they have a thing to be ashamed of militarily then or in subsequent military operations.

In WWI Australia lost 63,000 men. Canada lost 56,000 and the U.S. 53,000. Just to put it in perspective Australia in 1914 had five million people and the U.S. had one hundred million people.

We really don't get what an Armageddon WWI was for the commonwealth. It scared them and changed them profoundly. That they have a different outlook isn't surprising. They deserve our thanks though regardless of how they see us.

 

[Certaindeaf]

A dingo ate my boob.