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Austrailian View on USA and our love of Guns

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by RicInOR, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I did get a warning that their certificate has expired -

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/r...urce=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link


    When I saw this, I thought they would be staunch Anti's -

    Unplanned America: It turns out that America’s gun nuts are really hard to argue with


    Too bad these Aussies seem to have had a good time - shooting and eating and visiting.

    They also identified with the view point problem - Australians do not understand that the 2nd amendment exists to keep the government in check.

    But, I take it now to mean, they have started to see things from our point of view - and our position is solid.
     
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  2. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    It's not ingrained into their culture, so they will only understand once its too late.
     
  3. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I'm married to an Aussie woman (who now FULLY "gets it" about the 2A), and I can tell you that it's a "commonwealth subject not a citizen" mindset.

    Our country was forged in blood, theirs was not. It's a cultural mindset difference but when logical facts and arguments are presented, more often than not they'll go from a "why does anyone think thy need a gun?", to "yeah, I never thought about that!"

    As more and more "immigrant extremists" start doing what they have done in Australia (hostage taking, murdering gays, plotting to behead random people, etc) it's going to sway their mindset even further back to an individual right to bear arms.

    It's just too danged bad that it'll take more lost lives to trigger that "tipping point".
     
  4. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Most people find it hard to think outside societal norms, even norms that make no sense on their face. Part of our tribal heritage...
     
  5. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    Its because we evolved from lemmings and not monkeys as we have been so often told. Life would be much easier if all we had to do was dodge the occasional crap flinging - instead we have to deal with perpetual group stupidity.
     
  6. albin25

    albin25 Lewiston Idaho Well-Known Member

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    America...a nation founded by people escaping oppression and searching for a better life based on freedom and self-determination...and more than willing to take up arms to tell the King to find a new place to put his crown. Needed our guns to do it then...may eventually need to use them again.

    Australia...a nation founded as a prison to hold people who didn't want to be there doing time to pay their debt to society, hoping to return home someday to once again happily live under the thumb of their King.
    Only the King's men had guns...and eventually turned the few citizens that had aquired guns back into subjects...and didn't fire a shot
     
  7. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    I find it very entertaining when non Americans lecture us on firearms, particularly Australia which only because of us is not speaking Japanese now.

    PS link did not work.
    Brutus Out
     
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  8. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    I used o live in Australia, prior to the Socialist confiscations, paid for with tax dollars.
    The blokes I knew had access to a wide variety of firearms, depending on the state. Silencers were over-the-counter items. new firearms were 3Xs as expensive as they are here but good deals were had on 303s and other surplus like Egyptian Madi rifles. The best time I had was when I used a set-trigger Bruno 22LR to drop a running fox, at sunset, at well over 100 yards. I also harvested around 1000 Hares w/a silenced single shot 22. My acquaintances would simply hand me a rifle and ammo and tell me to return it to the kitchen corner where it came from when I was done. BTW the fishing was surprisingly good as well.
    Though Aussies bled for the Crown thier only moments of martial pride are enshrined in Galipoli, that cavalry charge around the same time, and the Kokoda Trail in WW2 which was a fair dinkum test of manhood, an incredible feat of endurance.
     
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  9. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  10. chemist

    chemist Beaverton OR Well-Known Member

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    No one has yet disproved Kleck's stats that 4,000 defensive gun uses per DAY in the USA almost always deter violence - and result in no one being shot.

    Sydney (or London, for that matter) sees a lot of random street violence which they quaintly label as "hooliganism," because there's little negative consequence for the offenders.

    But I also concur that the commonwealth subject - vs.- citizen mindset is the historical basis for their "patriotic passivity."
     
  11. John Gault

    John Gault clackamas county Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Lets see... The great barrier reef and an accent the women love.... That's about all they have going that I'm aware of.
     
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  12. mrblond

    mrblond Salem OR Well-Known Member

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    If you bow to a Queen, you have no right to talk about us and our 2nd Amendment.
     
  13. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Oh, and -

    Korea.

    Vietnam.

    Afghanistan.

    tac
     
  14. bolus

    bolus Portland Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    They should also list the number of actual civilian Americans who have actually driven a tank and owned a 50 BMG rifle when describing Americans.

    Hey, you can drive a tank in Australia too
    http://www.tankride.com.au/

    Hey, here are some guys shooting a 50 BMG in Australia


    Perhaps they should write an article on how we all own and fly Boeing 707's since Travolta owns one.
     
  15. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Personally, I think we should stop comparing ourselves to other countries and ignore what they have to think about us.


    It an apples to coconuts debate...
     
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  16. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    "Australia...a nation founded as a prison"

    FYI:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_colony
     
  17. jonnyonthespot

    jonnyonthespot Tigard Member

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    Are you kidding me, as an Australian I'
    Are you kidding me! I'm Australian. You should have your wife tell you about all the Aboragines we killed, and the lost generations that Australia forced to assimilate to Christianity. add to that the WWII evacuee children we abused and that generally speaking I'm sorry to say that Australians are about the most racist people in the world. The pomes didn't build that bubbleguming empire by being polite and drinking tea. I wouldn't be surprised if herr and mine ancestors were on the same transport ship.
     
  18. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Her grandfather immigrated from Scotland (Lennox clan), so no (potato famine) "convicts" in the family tree. I know about the "lost generations", subjegating the aboriginals, the WW-II kidlets, and those horrid orphanages, etc.

    What I mean by "forged in blood" is throwing King George out on his arse during the revolutionary war, while Australia still has their election of the PM "approved" by the queen. Given Aussie history at the hands of the British (like Galipoli) I'm often dismayed that there's still plenty of "royalists" in Australia (mostly the elderly, my mother in law among them). o_O
     
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  19. Goosebrown

    Goosebrown Beaverton Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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    In WWI Australian troops were on the left of the Somme and although they avoided the disastrous first day they still lost 23,000 men in 45 days - 5500 the first day they were engaged, July 16th 1916.

    Next year at Ypres they lost 38,000 men in 8 weeks.

    Australia is a smallish country. At the end of WWI they'd lost 20% of the men they'd sent overseas.

    I don't reckon they have a thing to be ashamed of militarily then or in subsequent military operations.

    In WWI Australia lost 63,000 men. Canada lost 56,000 and the U.S. 53,000. Just to put it in perspective Australia in 1914 had five million people and the U.S. had one hundred million people.

    We really don't get what an Armageddon WWI was for the commonwealth. It scared them and changed them profoundly. That they have a different outlook isn't surprising. They deserve our thanks though regardless of how they see us.
     
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  20. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    A dingo ate my boob.
     
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