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ATF SHAKEUP in Phoenix

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, May 17, 2011.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. jvbutter

    jvbutter Cornelius, Or Active Member

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    good lets get to the bottom of it
     
  3. salmonriverjohn

    salmonriverjohn N.W Oregon coast, Gods country Well-Known Member

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    GOOD, LETS GET TO THE TOP OF IT!
     
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    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    All we are gonna get is 6,000 pages of redacted paper and no real info.
     
  5. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The management shakeup at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ Phoenix field office is bigger than just a change in the top man as this column reported yesterday.

    ATF Phoenix
     
  6. MA Duce

    MA Duce Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    We shall now be treated to the standard government method of dealing with a situation like this....the lowest level person who could conceivably be responsible will be sacrificed to cover for those above him.
     
  7. salmonriverjohn

    salmonriverjohn N.W Oregon coast, Gods country Well-Known Member

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    The 9th circus getting involved with my concealed carry scares the stuff out of me, nothing good comes out of that three ring act.
     
  8. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    Incompetence isn't what I thought of because thay would mean they didn't fully understand what they were doing. They were reckless and deliberately broke laws they understood.
     
  9. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like they are disciplining those that did or might come forward with more information. "If you give out damning information your career is basically over!" And to prove it look at what we already did!!

    To me this looks to be much bigger than Watergate and SHOULD take down the whole Obwan administration. But they'll probably just throw one or two under the bus and get away with it.

    Eight U.S. Presidents have been NRA members. They are: Ulysses S. Grant,
    Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower,
    John F. Kennedy, Richard M. Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George Bush

    80 MILLION gun owners didn't shoot anyone today, a few criminals did!

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    The "Feedback Score" is low by 4, not everyone posts it I guess.

    Deen
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  10. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    deen: Keep in perspective that NOBODY GOT KILLED in Watergate.

    Gunrunner: CCRKBA’s Gottlieb fires off stinging letter to Lieberman

    Stunned by yesterday’s revelation by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) that he supports a proposed requirement to report multiple long gun sales to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives by southwest states gun dealers, gun rights advocate Alan Gottlieb has fired off a blistering letter to the senator that urges him to investigate the ATF instead.


    Gunrunner fallout: CCRKBA
     
  11. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Gunrunner Update: DEA keeping ATF guns; Who is Uriel Patino?

    A tempest is brewing in Phoenix, AZ today as agents with the Drug Enforcement Administration are reportedly refusing to turn over an unknown number of firearms recovered in a drug bust last month to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, even though at least one of the guns traces back to the controversial Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast-and-Furious.


    Gunrunner Update: DEA keeping ATF guns; Who is Uriel Patino?
     
  12. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I wouldn't turn them over either...

    "Here's all the evidence against you! Sign here, date here!"
     
  13. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    That's why I say "To me this looks to be much bigger than Watergate and SHOULD take down the whole Obwan administration. But they'll probably just throw one or two under the bus and get away with it."

    8 US Presidents have been NRA members. They are: Ulysses S. Grant,
    Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower,
    John F. Kennedy, Richard M. Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George Bush.

    80 MILLION law abiding gun owners didn't shoot anyone today, a few criminals did!!

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    The "Feedback Score" is low by 4, not everyone posts it I guess.

    Deen
    NRA Benefactor/Recruiter
    Washington Arms Collector member
    Arms Collectors of South West Washington member
     
  14. jvbutter

    jvbutter Cornelius, Or Active Member

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    exactly
     
  15. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    It's crap like this that is wrong with the entire government system. Who watches the watchers? How do we hold accountable the people that enforce the laws? Holding this over Obama's head is a mute point...
     
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    Whew! Missing King County Sheriff’s guns not linked to ‘Gunrunner!’


    King County Sheriff’s Department spokesman John Urquhart confirmed this morning that the agency cannot account for 113 of its firearms, but the good news is that none of the missing guns has ever showed up at a crime scene.

    Whew! Missing King County Sheriff
     
  17. jvbutter

    jvbutter Cornelius, Or Active Member

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    So what they are saying, they haven't showed up yet... they just haven't caught the right guys that have the stolen guns. They are still using them for mischief...