ATF says that shockwave, komrad, and other AOW or "Firearm" shotguns are now short barreled shotguns if a brace is attached

[The Heretic]

Not yet, but the version of the rule I read (before being put on the register - I have not read the one in the register, yet), has started referring to these "firearms" as "pistol grip shotguns", saying that is common for the ATF "experts" to refer to them that way. Since this is how they think of these firearms, I would not be surprised if a future ruling tries to change the legal definition of these to an SBS.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/11leqnc

 

[titsonritz]

Is the Shockwave as sold, without a brace, affected by this new rule?

No, according to the atf training anyway.

Re pistol grip on mossberg 500, pistol grip with side folding stocks work well.

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It's been a month, how about now?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

It's been a month, how about now?

Still the same.

 

[titsonritz]

Still the same.

I was being facetious, given the AFT arbitrarily changes their position when ever they feel like it.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I was being facetious, given the AFT arbitrarily changes their position when ever they feel like it.

Ah gotcha. Yea it's too bad atf doesn't actually follow the law instead of follow the political winds of the moment, at the expense of the law.

 

[sikhed]

Isn't the ATF the enforcement agency and not the legislative (law writing) branch of the government?

 

[msgriff]

Isn't the ATF the enforcement agency and not the legislative (law writing) branch of the government?

The Chevron deference (SCOTUS1984, Chevron v. Natural Resources Defense Council) was a court ruling that states that a government agency can interpret a statute with a lot of leeway, and write the regulations as they see fit. West Virginia v. EPA (SCOTUS 2022) poked some holes in the 1984 ruling and some are pursuing that avenue.

 

[Mathias]

No, according to the atf training anyway.

Re pistol grip on mossberg 500, pistol grip with side folding stocks work well.

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And these are legal?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

And these are legal?

For 18" barrel or longer yes just like any other stock legally. Work great. Easy to store.