Other State ATF now going after Pistol Braces...

[arakboss]

Methinks we have a battle of adverbs and pronouns going on..... give it a rest already.

Darn adverbs are always causing mischief. Spell check on isle 5

 

[CamoDeafie]

I guess there will be a bunch of pictures of AR pistols will be disappearing.

OPSEC man, OPSEC! not that it matters, I'm pretty much a "nonthreat" other than maybe being the guy who can sew good stuff

 

[Stomper]

Darn adverbs are always causing mischief. Spell check on isle 5

I forgot about stirring the pot with adjectives....

 

[JedB]

Thanks @ The Heretic


On another note. Ten pages and no one knows what brace(s) in question it is.
And no credits for taking this class.

I've only audited the class, so no credit anyway...


IMO, the source (Rep. Matt Gaetz) is less than credible on most things, and as a result, not much note provided to the topic.

@Boboclown
From the ATF's point of view, a manufacturer manufactures firearms. Alternatively, they manufacture firearms.
From the ATF's point of view, an individual makes a firearm from a manufacturer's parts.

It appears that you are taking the colloquial view, not the legal one as distinguished by the ATF. In common, everyday language, you can say "you manufactured a firearm" when what you did was assemble the barrel, lower, upper, LPK, into a functional weapon, and people will understand. In plain english, you aren't wrong.

From the ATF and a legal point of view, an individual not in the business is maker, not a manufacturer.
From the ATF and a legal point of view, Ruger, who is in the business, is a manufacturer.

 

[Stomper]

You just HAD to throw out more birdseed, huh?

 

[JedB]

You just HAD to throw out more birdseed, huh?

 

[The Heretic]

Start a new thread on the semantics, etymology, ontology and taxonomy of the word (I shall not use it here) in question and its colloquial vs. legal usage. Somewhere else please?

 

[Boboclown]

It appears that you are taking the colloquial view, not the legal one as distinguished by the ATF. In common, everyday language, you can say "you manufactured a firearm" when what you did was assemble the barrel, lower, upper, LPK, into a functional weapon, and people will understand. In plain english, you aren't wrong.

Look, if I turn a shovel and a broom into a gun it ain't assembly at that point. Its functionality is questionable, but it ain't no assembly.

 

[JedB]

Look, if I turn a shovel and a broom into a gun it ain't assembly at that point.

That might be a good youtube channel effort..

 

[Boboclown]

That might be a good youtube channel effort..

Hold my beer!

 

[Stomper]

Hold my beer!

Why? You intending to "manufacture" love in front of all of us now?

 

[Boboclown]

Why? You intending to "manufacture" love in front of all of us now?

I am the clown of hearts.

 

[arakboss]

I don't think any braces will be banned. My bet if anything happens is the ATF will write an opinion saying that some design of brace (probably SBA3/4 style) is a stock. They seem to change their minds regularly on issues like this. Even if the brace is determined to be a stock why would it be banned. It could be used on a legal rifle.

 

[arakboss]

Another thing to think about is how they determine when a brace is a brace? Will the ATF say that braces can only have so much surface on the butt end of the brace? It seems like you could throw a strap on any stock and call it a brace. The shockwave blades don't even come with straps and got the brace designation.

There are some stocks out there with very minimal surface area where the stock contacts the shoulder like this ELF unit, I imagine my SBA4 would be much more comfortable to use than this stock:







This one doesn't look comfy either:

 

[Member 34319]

This thread reminds me of earlier conversations about braces.

 

[arakboss]

This thread reminds me of earlier conversations about braces.

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This thread is getting boring, we need one comparing the usefulness of AR pistols vs SBRs

 

[arakboss]

Let's say a person modified a pistol brace by adding a removable buttpad for use on a rifle. Could they remove the buttpad and use the brace on a pistol. Or is the rule, once a brace converted to a stock always a brace converted to a stock.

 

[Member 34319]

Let's say a person modified a pistol brace by adding a removable buttpad for use on a rifle. Could they remove the buttpad and use the brace on a pistol. Or is the rule, once a brace converted to a stock always a brace converted to a stock.

 

[CamoDeafie]

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He might actually be serious. Some of the pistol braces looks like they just need a butt plate attached to them to function like a regular stock.. specifically the SB4 series.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Shockwave 2.0 blade brace protector