National ATF coming for pistol braces

[American123]

Seems like a decent argument is:

Many Americans who previously acquired these stabilizing braces legally may likely decide this to be there "line in the sand" regarding what they view as infringement on their rights acknowledged by the bill of rights.

Since there will ultimately be conflict between the ATF and American citizens who previously were considered entirely law abiding, but then made into felons simply by an arbitrary rule change. How many previously law abiding Americans is the ATF willing to kill to enforce what many will not comply with? Because there will definitely be Americans who decide this encroachment is one too far.

 

[The Heretic]

How many previously law abiding Americans is the ATF willing to kill to enforce what many will not comply with?

As many as they are told to.

Probably at least enough for their masters to think that it is sufficient to serve as an example to the rest in order to increase compliance.

 

[The Heretic]

 

[The Heretic]

 

[The Heretic]

 

[arentol72]

The SBR/SBS laws are idiotic these days and should be repealed anyway, so this brace thing shouldn't matter in the slightest.

In the 30's when these firearms were restricted you couldn't really buy much in the way of pistol-sized rifles or shotguns off-the-shelf and at the time what you could purchase were made illegal, including stuff where it made no real sense to make it illegal, like a single-shot .410 shotgun with a 12 inch barrel. The 1911 was readily available at the time and is more concealable and clearly way more deadly and threatening than a small single-shot .410, but whatever.

These days you can legally purchase a 6-shot .410 revolver with a 4" barrel, a semi-auto 5+1-shot .12 gauge with a 14" barrel, or a 20 shot .308 with no shoulder stock and a 9" barrel. All of these are smaller than almost any SBS/SBR they used in the 30's, can fire more rounds, and are just generally way more potentially deadly.

Point being the ship has sailed on the SBR/SBS law. The only thing it is still doing is making it illegal to turn an existing rifle/shotgun into a "handgun" size weapon, even though anyone who can legally purchase a rifle or shotgun can almost definitely purchase a pistol sized Shotgun or Rifle anyway, and if you have a Rifle or Shotgun it isn't like you can't drive right up to where you intend to misuse it and use it at it's full size anyway in almost all cases. So it's lack of concealability isn't changing things much.

That said, the one fear I have in regards to actually repealing these laws is that since many of the later NFA laws are built off of them any attempt to remove them will likely just end up in some other potentially more stupid laws being put in place as they try to rebuild them from the ground up.

 

[The Heretic]

Point being the ship has sailed on the SBR/SBS law. The only thing it is still doing is making it illegal to turn an existing rifle/shotgun into a "handgun" size weapon, even though anyone who can legally purchase a rifle or shotgun can almost definitely purchase a pistol sized Shotgun or Rifle anyway, and if you have a Rifle or Shotgun it isn't like you can't drive right up to where you intend to misuse it and use it at it's full size anyway in almost all cases. So it's lack of concealability isn't changing things much.

The next targets will be the Shockwave/Tac-1x/et. al. "firearms", then they will go after the AR/AK/etc. pistols (with or without braces).

 

[CamoDeafie]

I'm half surprised that Congress so far (as far as I know) haven't proposed amending the NFA or GCA to include "assault weapons"

 

[Nak]

The next targets will be the Shockwave/Tac-1x/et. al. "firearms", then they will go after the AR/AK/etc. pistols (with or without braces).

I'm half surprised that Congress so far (as far as I know) haven't proposed amending the NFA or GCA to include "assault weapons"

This forum really needs a +1 (Agreed) button in addition to the "Like" button. I agree with both of these posts, but would rather post +1 and a

 

[Dinglenutz]

his forum really needs a +1 (Agreed) button in addition to the "Like" button.

Some ex-pat forums I participate on have a +1 (thanks) button which is a similar idea. It's useful when you appreciate the post but can't like it for whatever reason.

 

[CamoDeafie]

This forum really needs a +1 (Agreed) button in addition to the "Like" button. I agree with both of these posts, but would rather post +1 and a

We do have a option in the like pop up menu if you hold the like button on a touchscreen

 

[Nak]

We do have a option in the like pop up menu if you hold the like button on a touchscreen

I have a touchscreen PC, but can't access that...

 

[CamoDeafie]

I have a touchscreen PC, but can't access that...

Interesting. @Joe Link ?

 

[User 1234]

We do have a option in the like pop up menu if you hold the like button on a touchscreen

Thanks, I wish I had realized this long ago. I thought that on a phone the only option was the like.

 

[billdeserthills]

Stop the ATF's pistol-braced gun ban

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[Diamondback]

The SBR/SBS laws are idiotic these days and should be repealed anyway, so this brace thing shouldn't matter in the slightest.

In the 30's when these firearms were restricted you couldn't really buy much in the way of pistol-sized rifles or shotguns off-the-shelf and at the time what you could purchase were made illegal, including stuff where it made no real sense to make it illegal, like a single-shot .410 shotgun with a 12 inch barrel. The 1911 was readily available at the time and is more concealable and clearly way more deadly and threatening than a small single-shot .410, but whatever.

These days you can legally purchase a 6-shot .410 revolver with a 4" barrel, a semi-auto 5+1-shot .12 gauge with a 14" barrel, or a 20 shot .308 with no shoulder stock and a 9" barrel. All of these are smaller than almost any SBS/SBR they used in the 30's, can fire more rounds, and are just generally way more potentially deadly.

Point being the ship has sailed on the SBR/SBS law. The only thing it is still doing is making it illegal to turn an existing rifle/shotgun into a "handgun" size weapon, even though anyone who can legally purchase a rifle or shotgun can almost definitely purchase a pistol sized Shotgun or Rifle anyway, and if you have a Rifle or Shotgun it isn't like you can't drive right up to where you intend to misuse it and use it at it's full size anyway in almost all cases. So it's lack of concealability isn't changing things much.

That said, the one fear I have in regards to actually repealing these laws is that since many of the later NFA laws are built off of them any attempt to remove them will likely just end up in some other potentially more stupid laws being put in place as they try to rebuild them from the ground up.

The main advantage of a Braced Pistol is it's potentially CCW-eligible where an SBR is not.

 

[The Heretic]

The main advantage of a Braced Pistol is it's potentially CCW-eligible where an SBR is not.

You don't need a brace to CC an AR/AK pistol

 

[Diamondback]

You don't need a brace to CC an AR/AK pistol

True. Braced/cheekrest, cushion-wrapped tube (AR)/choptail (AK/other) are both viable options. Personally, I like heavier back-end weight on a one-hand gun for balance.

 

[billdeserthills]

The ATF's arbitrary regulation of pistol braces is an intolerable state of governance

The ATF's Arbitrary Regulation of Pistol Braces is an Intolerable State of Governance - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ Millions of peaceable Americans lawfully acquired and lawfully own stabilizing braces and braced pistols. The proposed rule is coldly indifferent about the prospect of turning thousands or millions of those Americans into unwitting felons. This sort of abusive...

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[CamoDeafie]

The ATF's arbitrary regulation of pistol braces is an intolerable state of governance

The ATF's Arbitrary Regulation of Pistol Braces is an Intolerable State of Governance - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ Millions of peaceable Americans lawfully acquired and lawfully own stabilizing braces and braced pistols. The proposed rule is coldly indifferent about the prospect of turning thousands or millions of those Americans into unwitting felons. This sort of abusive...

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That the ATF exists at all is an intolerable state of governance says I.