ATF and backroom dealings.

[U201491]

Then that means you think the bloggers at Sipsey Street are anti-patriotic/Blomberg trojan horses...

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogs...=2015-04-14T10:27:00-05:00&max-results=20&m=0

You are actually worse than an alinskyite because you are pro gun and slamming pro gun org that's done more to protect your rights than any other. Dont like what the NRA does become a life member or higher and vote in their board elections !

 

[Riot]

You are actually worse than an alinskyite...

Isn't ridicule an Alinsky tactic?

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

 

[Just Jim]

Isn't ridicule an Alinsky tactic?

Yes it is, but truth isn't one of their tactics

 

[U201491]

Isn't ridicule an Alinsky tactic?

This circular question is.

Well Maybe. Lets see....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420684/posts

Alinsky's Rules for Radicals
STRATEGIC PUBLIC RELATIONS ^| 1993, 2001 | Craig Miyamoto
Posted on 6/10/2005, 6:07:02 PM by ken21

Alinsky's Rules for Radicals By Craig Miyamoto, APR, Fellow PRSA

(This is an expanded version of the 2000 Third Quarter issue of Public Relations Strategies, a quarterly publication of Miyamoto Strategic Counsel)

To paraphrase some sage advice, "keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer." If your business or organization ever becomes a target of radical activists, it will be extremely helpful to know what strategies of attack will used against you. Short of having spies infiltrate their organization - a practice that is sure to be found out and exposed to your discredit - it would help to study their methods.

Known as the "father of modern American radicalism," Saul D. Alinsky (1909-1972) developed strategies and tactics that take the enormous, unfocused emotional energy of grassroots groups and transform it into effective anti-government and anti-corporate activism. Activist organizations teach his ideas widely taught today as a set of model behaviors, and they use these principles to create an emotional commitment to victory - no matter what.

Grassroots pressure on large organizations is reality, and there is every indication that it will grow. Because the conflicts manifest in high-profile public debate and often-panicked decision-making, studying Alinsky's rules will help organizations develop counteractive strategies that can level the playing field.

Governments and corporations have inherent weaknesses. And, time and again, they repeat mistakes that other large organizations have made, even repeating their OWN mistakes. Alinsky's out-of-print book - "Rules for Radicals" - illustrates why opposition groups take on large organizations with utter glee, and why these governments and corporations fail to win.

Large organizations have learned to stonewall and not empower activists. In other words, they try to ignore radical activists and are never as committed to victory as their opposition is committed to defeating them. Result? They are unprepared for the hailstorm of brutal tactics that severely damage their reputation and send them running with their tails between their legs.

Some of these rules are ruthless, but they work. Here are the rules to be aware of:

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don't address the "real" issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid "un-fun" activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists' minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management's wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

RULE 11: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Came back to this today in an effort to get you to understand what you say. You are telling me democrat voters are stupid and willing to give up everyone's gun rights on an emotional whim. I am 63 and have seen that all my life and know you can't fix stupid. There will always be the idiots like Burdick that will sell out the rest of the world and there will always be those who join her, you can't fix stupid.

My side which is conserving our rights loses all the time because you can't fix the stupid voters that vote them away. There is nothing you can say to get idiots to change their votes, nothing. The population in oregon has more idiots that people smart enough to vote for their rights, it's the way of the world.

Historical it takes a culling out to change the number of idiots or a war to change the thinking of a population. Those events are brought on by the idiots, it's a lemming style clean up. It is nature's way to kill off idiots and by nature I mean they will do themselves in with their own workings You are seeing this every day if you read the net or watch the news.

There now, I told you I know there is no way to bring people to my side. People are either smart enough to see the world for what it is and survive or they are sheeple that deserve the life they bring to themselves. Now go bother someone else.

You know, I'm done with your condescending attitude and your inability to understand simple english. What I wrote is in simple 12th grade english. Maybe you didn't make it that far, I don't know. I'll try to keep this reply down to 3 syllable words and ten word sentences.

Your admission that there's no way to bring people to your side says it all. You prove my point. It's exactly what I've been trying to tell you. If that's what you truly believe then you must believe that there will be no 2nd Amendment before long. If, as you say, the majority of voters are anti-gun, and there's no way to educate them to support the 2nd Amendment then there's no point in trying to do anything. They will continue to elect anti-gun executives, who will appoint anti-gun judges, who will eventually eviscerate (sorry for the big word) our Constitution.

So in effect, you have already surrendered. The really attractive part of that situation for you seems to be that you can sit on the sidelines and have fun sniping at those who do try to change minds, and you don't have to do anything constructive yourself, because in your own mind it's already a lost cause. Frankly, you're dragging us all down with you, while you pretend to have some superior insight, when what's really going on is that you're just trying to justify sitting on your bubblegum and complaining while you continue to do nothing constructive. We need a whole lot less of your kind of thinking if we are going to still own guns 20 years from now.

And now, as I said, I'm done with you. You can return to your echo chamber where nobody says anything you don't like, and you know everything there is to know.

 

[Just Jim]

You know, I'm done with your condescending attitude and your inability to understand simple english. What I wrote is in simple 12th grade english. Maybe you didn't make it that far, I don't know. I'll try to keep this reply down to 3 syllable words and ten word sentences.

Your admission that there's no way to bring people to your side says it all. You prove my point. It's exactly what I've been trying to tell you. If that's what you truly believe then you must believe that there will be no 2nd Amendment before long. If, as you say, the majority of voters are anti-gun, and there's no way to educate them to support the 2nd Amendment then there's no point in trying to do anything. They will continue to elect anti-gun executives, who will appoint anti-gun judges, who will eventually eviscerate (sorry for the big word) our Constitution.

So in effect, you have already surrendered. The really attractive part of that situation for you seems to be that you can sit on the sidelines and have fun sniping at those who do try to change minds, and you don't have to do anything constructive yourself, because in your own mind it's already a lost cause. Frankly, you're dragging us all down with you, while you pretend to have some superior insight, when what's really going on is that you're just trying to justify sitting on your bubblegum and complaining while you continue to do nothing constructive. We need a whole lot less of your kind of thinking if we are going to still own guns 20 years from now.

And now, as I said, I'm done with you. You can return to your echo chamber where nobody says anything you don't like, and you know everything there is to know.

Happy to see you could get your thoughts into a readable condition, thank your friends for helping you.

Years ago when I spent my time and money to go to the hearings on a proposed handgun ban. Like many others there I went to voice my opinion and fight for your rights. I spent years of writing letters to newspapers and politicians openly fighting for your rights. For decades I have worked with people of all ages promoting your rights and getting them involved in shooting. Even today I spend time supporting your rights on the net.

I realize those rights I have worked for are even for guys like you, people I really don't like that add nothing to the gun community but lip. There are many good people out there that deserve those rights, I worked for them thank god as they will work to keep them and not COMPROMISE them away.

If you lose your rights it's your fault, you stand outside the community and tell us all how stupid we are rather than fight with the community to bring others along. You should be teaching young kids to shoot and enjoy guns because they are the future but you sit around and run you mouth insulting gun owners instead.

You should be out actively involved in the shooting sports and putting your money with a gun club that is part of the community. You should take those activities to work and tell people what fun they are. You should spend money to support gun vendors all over the nation to keep the community strong. You won't though, we won't see you on the firing line pulling your own weight nor will you ever make a difference in the shooting world. You will sit around and blame the NRA and everyone else for the loss of your rights cause you know better than anyone what it takes to keep them.

Go away.