"Assault weapon" ban officially drops in Olympia!

[GWS]

I emailed Patty Murray about Gun Control, her reply was...

"I will take into consideration the will of the people"

This too was a lie.

She meant the people who give her money.

 

[dinky450]

 

[bradsteen]

The anti-gunners always try to claim moral superiority on this topic. When we say "what you propose won't solve the problem", they counter with "well, at least we're actually trying to do something about it!" And on that point they aren't wrong - our "pro-gun" legislators have not been proactive at proposing solutions, so from a public perception standpoint they come off looking obstinate, cold-hearted, and closed-minded.

The best defense is a good offense, so why don't we fight fire with fire? Get Republicans to draft a counter-bill, one that actually does stuff to address the problem and shows the public that there are better ways to approach this than with a ban and a prayer? Such as...

- Increased criminal penalties and elimination of plea deals for violent felons in possession of or attempting to acquire firearms.
- Adding firearm safety, conflict management, and situational awareness to school curriculum
- Subsidizing firearms training classes (the state covers a percentage of the class fee to encourage attendance)
- Providing tax incentives or other benefits to Washingtonians who complete firearm training classes
- Carve out exceptions in the mandatory wait law and private party transfer law for people with concealed pistol licenses, or those who can prove successful completion of a criminal background check within the past 90 days
- Increased funding for mental health services
- Modify existing red flag laws to restore due process to the accused, and establish stiff penalties for intentional false reporting

Seems like this in concert with a properly managed PR campaign that has a poignant theme like "Don't just 'do something', do something that WORKS!" would go a long ways toward addressing the problem and correcting the perception that pro-gunners are obstructionists.

 

[Jay Walk]

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Hell to the Eff yes.

 

[dinky450]

Hell to the Eff yes.

I hope this is a start to the whole west coast throwing all this bubblegum out. It's going to take law enforcement and little local judges to stop the madness.

 

[Jay Walk]

"So you can sit here and dictate whatever you want today. Maybe the political winds are in your favor here today. But I can tell you that we will not comply and you're not going to do a darn thing about it because the law, the Constitution and the founding principles are on our side," said Rep. Blaine Wilhour.

 

[Mikej]

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Whoop-De-Do. In Illinois, sheriffs in the state are REFUSING to enforce.

Several Illinois Sheriffs Refuse to Enforce New State Gun Control Law

Multiple sheriff’s departments in Illinois said they will not enforce the state’s new gun law, signed by Gov. J. B.

www.thelancasterpatriot.com

 

[Jay Walk]

Less armed law abiding citizens means more criminals
More criminals means more dead cops.

 

[dinky450]

Whoop-De-Do. In Illinois, sheriffs in the state are REFUSING to enforce.

Several Illinois Sheriffs Refuse to Enforce New State Gun Control Law

Multiple sheriff’s departments in Illinois said they will not enforce the state’s new gun law, signed by Gov. J. B.

www.thelancasterpatriot.com

Yep Illinois is a lot different than here. Murder/crime rate is a lot more. We all know disarm lawbiding citizens in any way and crime rate goes way up. Illinois is all ready super high rates.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Yep Illinois is a lot different than here. Murder/crime rate is a lot more. We all know disarm lawbiding citizens in any way and crime rate goes way up. Illinois is all ready super high rates.

Murder etc def higher in Chicago. But Seattle leads the nation in burglaries by far. Portland in top 3 in the nation in other thefts. Socialist government no prosecutions revolving door for career criminals here.

 

[dinky450]

Murder etc def higher in Chicago. But Seattle leads the nation in burglaries by far. Portland in top 3 in the nation in other thefts. Socialist government no prosecutions revolving door for career criminals here.

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Most places in Chicago are very poor. No reason to break in to steal something that's not there.

 

[American123]

The anti-gunners always try to claim moral superiority on this topic. When we say "what you propose won't solve the problem", they counter with "well, at least we're actually trying to do something about it!" And on that point they aren't wrong - our "pro-gun" legislators have not been proactive at proposing solutions, so from a public perception standpoint they come off looking obstinate, cold-hearted, and closed-minded.

The best defense is a good offense, so why don't we fight fire with fire? Get Republicans to draft a counter-bill, one that actually does stuff to address the problem and shows the public that there are better ways to approach this than with a ban and a prayer? Such as...

- Increased criminal penalties and elimination of plea deals for violent felons in possession of or attempting to acquire firearms.
- Adding firearm safety, conflict management, and situational awareness to school curriculum
- Subsidizing firearms training classes (the state covers a percentage of the class fee to encourage attendance)
- Providing tax incentives or other benefits to Washingtonians who complete firearm training classes
- Carve out exceptions in the mandatory wait law and private party transfer law for people with concealed pistol licenses, or those who can prove successful completion of a criminal background check within the past 90 days
- Increased funding for mental health services
- Modify existing red flag laws to restore due process to the accused, and establish stiff penalties for intentional false reporting

Seems like this in concert with a properly managed PR campaign that has a poignant theme like "Don't just 'do something', do something that WORKS!" would go a long ways toward addressing the problem and correcting the perception that pro-gunners are obstructionists.

They aren’t interested in reducing crime, they’re quite literally the party of “let violent criminals out of jail or never prosecute them to begin with.”

The banning guns thing is the actual goal and they’ll use any excuse they want to help the sheeple agree.

 

[bradsteen]

They aren’t interested in reducing crime, they’re quite literally the party of “let violent criminals out of jail or never prosecute them to begin with.”

The banning guns thing is the actual goal and they’ll use any excuse they want to help the sheeple agree.

I am 100% aware, I'm referring to how it might play out in public perception.

 

[ktgee]

Blaming Californians is a straw man argument. The culture has been changing across the nation for decades There were tons of liberals in Portland and Seattle long before California migration happened. The real fault lies with everyone who didn't keep the traditions alive, who didn't fight gun laws even when they didn't affect them.
I am from California and the people there blame everyone who migrated to the state for the taxes and stupidity. It's easier than asking "What could I have done to fight this?" Toward the end of my time there (summer 2016), the CA state legislature passed a series of anti-gun bills collectively known as Gunmageddon.
That fall, I was one the knotheads who spent his time trying to gather petition signatures to get propositions on the ballot to overturn Gunmageddon. We failed miserably. Why? Because for every signature we got we had 10 people refusing to sign for reasons such as "I'm not political" or "I don't want to get on a list." and worst "I'm not registered to vote." And this was at a table set up at a gun shop! This wasn't illegal immigrants or people on the street refusing to sign. No it was gun owners actively not wanting to get involved. I will also add here that not all of the gun shops would even let us set up tables at all. Compare that to folks like Dan @Sporting Systems or that fellow with the shop in Federal Way. Guys who are putting their livelihoods and possibly their freedom on the line to fight 1639 or the magazine ban.

Blame Californians or Jehovah Witnesses or Martians if you want but the real truth is this: We gun owners are our own worst enemies

In numbers, gunowners are a large voting group. Unfortunely, they are not together on many issues or just don't give a sh*t about politics or gun rights. Many gunowners (liberal and conservative) are to blame for the losing 2A battles.

 

[nwslopoke]

They aren’t interested in reducing crime, they’re quite literally the party of “let violent criminals out of jail or never prosecute them to begin with.”

The banning guns thing is the actual goal and they’ll use any excuse they want to help the sheeple agree.

I'll go further and just say they are parroting phrases that sound good. I don't like snakes. I can tell you why. I don't like high taxes. I can tell you why. Ask an anti gunner what it is they don't like about guns and 99% give you a word salad of nonsense. "An AR14 weighs more than 10 boxes".

Maybe Neil Degrasse can explain why anti-gun ideas makes sense. He nailed covid.

 

[American123]

I'll go further and just say they are parroting phrases that sound good. I don't like snakes. I can tell you why. I don't like high taxes. I can tell you why. Ask an anti gunner what it is they don't like about guns and 99% give you a word salad of nonsense. "An AR14 weighs more than 10 boxes".

Maybe Neil Degrasse can explain why anti-gun ideas makes sense. He nailed covid.

I used the term “word salad” to describe a manager’s answer to a simple question.The manager didn’t know what that reference meant and asked me to clarify. I said, “it means you said a lot of words and phrases but ultimately all of them strewn together still don’t answer the question.” The manager really likes me now. Haha

 

[Explorer1]

She meant the people who give her money.

Useless Bi****, just another communist IMHO.

 

[nwslopoke]

I used the term “word salad” to describe a manager’s answer to a simple question.The manager didn’t know what that reference meant and asked me to clarify. I said, “it means you said a lot of words and phrases but ultimately all of them strewn together still don’t answer the question.” The manager really likes me now. Haha

That manager must not have ever had a teenager.

 

[Melman]

Exactly there was no outrage when they passed gun laws to stop black panthers. Unlike many second amendment protests today when they showed up they weren’t allowed to yell and scream in cops faces etc like we saw last few years. Well seems now they coming after your rights you are upset. Ali formulas are a symptom of a bigger systemic and political problem. Rich conservatives don’t want you armed no more than democrats. Need flash republicans and conservatives only spend money when it helps them make real money. They will always have guns like liberal elitists. Liberals spend money and work hard to get tyranny past when it comes to guns like conservatives do for buisness. I really wish people on the center left and right would vote both extremes out. Until there’s term limits and consequences. We will keep heading in that direction.

 

[Diamondback]

I used the term “word salad” to describe a manager’s answer to a simple question.The manager didn’t know what that reference meant and asked me to clarify. I said, “it means you said a lot of words and phrases but ultimately all of them strewn together still don’t answer the question.” The manager really likes me now. Haha

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