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Armed march on all 50 state capitals on July 4th.

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by explorerimports, Jul 3, 2013.

  1. explorerimports

    explorerimports WA Active Member

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    [video=youtube;TlYBazTlcRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlYBazTlcRU[/video]A Facebook group called “Armed With Pride” (AwP) is advertising an armed march on all 50 Capitols for the 4th of July. The corresponding Facebook page is owned by the Modern American Revolution (MAR).

    AwP states: “We will be leading a PEACEFUL armed march (where the law permits) on July 4th 2013 from 9AM-5PM at all 50 state capitols. This event is for those that cannot make it to Washington, D.C. for Adam Kokesh’s march. This march will be open/concealed carry only in the states where the law allows and the rest of the states will be unarmed marches.”

    At the time this article was written 151 people had confirmed they would attend the demonstration.

    MAR is categorized on Facebook as a non-governmental organization (NGO). In their “About US” section, they claim “to support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. (Mainly DOMESTIC). We are here to teach, train, and educate those whom wish to become better patriots.”

    The latest proposed protest is referenced as a “distress call AND a call to action.” The goal of MAR is to facilitate the modern American Revolution and “prepare to take America back.”

    This protest was inspired by Adam Kokesh’s recent announcement that he is initiating a march on Washington, DC on the same day. While speaking about the protest, Kokesh explained that “this is an armed revolt against the American government. Make no mistake about it.”


    Advertised on Kokesh’s Facebook page , the march is described as: “On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then down Constitution Avenue to peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge.”

    Kokesh goes on to say: “This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent.”

    At the time this article was written 4,010 people had confirmed they would attend the march.

    Cathy Lanier, chief of police for the DC area, explained that the protesters will be met with officers at the bridge.

    Lanier said: “If you are coming here to protest government policy, great. We’re all for it. We’ll work with you. We’ll get you in and where you want to go. We’ll facilitate you moving in and around the city. If you’re coming here to break the law, then we’re going to take action.”

    Kokesh claims he has coordinated the march with authorities to ensure peaceful protests. Kokesh said : “I will recommend that they do the best they can to honor their oaths and escort us on our route. Failing to provide that commitment to safety, we will either be informed that we will only be allowed up to a certain point where we would be arrested.”

    This announcement has caused the alternative community to question its motives and tactics for restoring our Constitutional Republic.

    Having Kokesh as a leader has also caused concerns to surface. Of his own volition, Kokesh admits to having suffered from severe bouts of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and having taken both pharmaceutical drugs and smoking marijuana to relieve the symptoms.

    Although PTSD is the catch-all the US Armed Forces uses to describe and alleged as mentally ill all returning US veterans, Kokesh has recalled his issues with being amid a large crowd: “I didn’t feel comfortable getting drunk, and the crowds made me nervous. When dealing with crowds in Iraq, I was always armed and I always had someone watching my back, usually with a machine gun. A cardinal rule for interacting with crowds was to never let anyone get behind you. We had all heard the horror story of a Marine who was killed with his own pistol. When crowds got close around me I would often just leave one hand on my pistol and let my rifle dangle on the sling in front of me.”

    Kokesh, like some other former US Marine, misrepresented his service to the public to gain both sympathy and accommodations. Knowing that the average listener of his show would not research his records while in the Armed Forces or speak to those who knew him, and these types simply continue the theater of belief which tugs at their audience because who would not support a US veteran who was a patriot protesting this current administration?

    Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) stated that they “neither endorses nor is affiliated with” Kokesh’s march, which “is in direct conflict with” the group’s ban on “conduct or threats endangering the life, safety, and/or health of others.”

    Although IVAW says Kokesh is no longer a member of the group, he once was. IVAW is purported to be aligned with the Muslim American Society (MAS) who is a “de facto arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in the US.”

    While MAS asserts that they are against terrorism, they recognize the jihad is the right of all Muslims by divine authority and should be used in defense of themselves and their people.

    Common place to crowds are planted provocateurs working with the federal government to ensure that an incident occurs. Hal Turner was one such patsy. Considering the context of an armed protest, it would be advantageous for the opposition to have an instigator join the crowd in order to entice protestors to engage in violent behavior utilizing the psychology of mob mentality , combined with the nature of the demonstration.

    Arguments abound on how the alternative community feels toward this coming display of force and intention toward the US government. Of course, those who want to restore the Constitutional Republic are divided by this march because it brings to the surface those hopped up on testosterone and gives those self-professed leaders of the movement a justification for rallying up the “troops”.

    However, a sensible approach to confronting the enemy may not be announcing your intentions months ahead of the protest so that they have time to coordinate against you.

    In 2003, a similar tactic was used as part of the theater of war when former President George W. Bush announced to the world that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had 48 hours to leave Iraq before the US Armed Forces would attack.

    Militarily speaking, it is not smart to alert the enemy of your intentions, nor is it advantageous to strike hap-hazard with the intention of stirring up the hornets’ nest out of frustration.

    Agitating the already agitated is not hard. This march speaks to the frustration of those who have “woken up” to the reality of how our country has been hijacked by technocrats and psychopaths. However, bringing a knife to a gun fight is not the answer. It will ensure that many are demonized which will cause a reaction throughout the crowds of people who did not attend.

    https://www.facebook.com/gunowners4liberty/posts/632880273406192

    More Organized Armed Marches Spread to all 50 State Capitals - Susanne Posel | Susanne Posel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7fX7-Zgxn0
     
  2. EUGENE the REALTOR

    EUGENE the REALTOR Portland Metro Bronze Vendor Bronze Vendor

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    No thanks. I'll be grilling, drinking micro beers, and lighting off fireworks...
     
  3. PDXoriginal

    PDXoriginal PNW Well-Known Member

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    Should be done when the law makers are there...
     
  4. Jammer Six

    Jammer Six North Greenlake, Seattle New Member

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    You geniuses are marching on capitals on a legal holiday, when said capitals are, therefore, guaranteed to be empty?

    The mind boggles.
     
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  5. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    Marching on Independence Day ~is~ the point they are Making! Not trying to make, not in reference to who is in their office, but
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    WE are independent of those who we Voted into Office, yet for the Majority, consider it "their Government" not WE, the PEOPLE.

    They do NOT have to HAVE an audience, to be Effective
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    THE effect will be IN their Hearts, minds & Souls, for ever forward.

    By circumstance, my vehicle is in the Shop right now, or I would be there.

    Patriotic DUTY is support Patriots!

    philip,
    Who has carried a Casket Flag... The the Viet Nam Mermorial, for the ~friend~ who lost the War. I left the Pacific Ocean, and GreyDog Expressed all the way to DC, out of Brotherhood to a fellow RVN Vet. He helped me, when he himself could not get help...

    That is Undying Love, and Patriotism. RIP, John Sharp, Slow Bird RTO, in the Highlands of RVN
     
  6. Dan1477

    Dan1477 Beaverton, Oregon Active Member

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    Marching on the 4th is a complete waste of time. March on the fifth.
     
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  7. Jammer Six

    Jammer Six North Greenlake, Seattle New Member

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    They don't need an audience if their aim is to feel good. That's true.

    On another note, didn't you swear to stop responding to me? I'm glad you changed your mind. I'm sure we can become good friends.
     
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  8. RBid

    RBid Wilsonville, OR Well-Known Member

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    You said nobody on the Internet was suited to be friends with you, or something along those lines. I'm glad you've changed your mind. Now we can have tea and crumpets.


    @ Topic:

    May not get direct attention from officials, but could generate news coverage. Good day for that.

    Best of luck.
     
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  9. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    RBid, I was replying to the Topic, I have no idea what whoever said something was saying, if you Know ;^) what I mean!

    Have a safe Independence day, and don't Shoot until you see the Whites of their Eyes... That's a quote, not an Order!

    philip
     
  10. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    Folks who would ~March~ for a Fifth!!!!!

    philip,
    Soft Lemonade Please, after the endless cup of Coffee I am drinking, here in the Boondocks...
     
  11. BigStick

    BigStick Sherwood, OR Well-Known Member

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    If it was well organized, and I had more than a days notice, I might have showed up to a peaceful march about preserving our rights, but last minute and no time to check the legitimacy doesn't work for me.
     
  12. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    I think the 4th would be an excellent time to be a part of an organized 4th of July parade. Large banner celebrating the constitution, our freedoms, and our rights would be more appreciated by everyone. You'd have a much bigger audience as a part of a larger parade.
     
  13. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    PiratePast40,

    Indeed!!! If they march'ed on the Fifth, so dot GOV could see them, the everyday citizens would be at Work!!!!!

    I remember back, in the day, when we held Holidays ON the proper Day of the Month, and Four day weekend's were hard to concieve of, because our Country had a Work Ethic!!!!

    philip
    A Lazy day indeed, in the Boondocks off HWY 36, no Logging Trucks, just a few Real Farmers, doing the Hay Cutting, going from section to section with their equipment, "Make HAY, when the Sun Shines"!!!!
     
  14. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Would have but not enough information ahead of time. I HEARD something about it but no one ever confirmed. Ill be down if there is ever a next time.. Who knows,
    We may not have an independence day next year..
     
  15. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    Jammer Six:

    I spent some time tracking down my post which YOU misquote me on, in this above post:

    My quote to you was:
    You Might wonder why I am replying then. It is because I abhore being MisQuoted.

    In all the posts I have read of yours, i see, that it is seldom, that You Add a constructive comment, Rather, You choose to cajole, ridicule, insult, offend, and generally just try to create a Hornet's Nest, where none is needed, maybe due to the specific thread, or maybe just that there WAS NO Hornet Nest to begin with, but You start One, via Your attitude towards individual members posting.

    In the Past you have offended my education, my Spiritual Occupation, and by self decision, create "why things happened" without Not One Specific bit of Real Fact, only conjecture !!!!

    (#1, it was a Ministry, not a Church, and #2 Why it closed had Not One Thing to do, with My Work, in that Ministry, there were over Thirty volunteers in that Ministry, it lost its Funding, to Rent the building... No other reason)

    J6, have you noticed, how Some of your posts DISAPEAR, after you Post them? I and maybe others, simply use the Notify Moderators... "Of Inappropriate Posts", and State Why !!!!

    You might, again NOW, wonder, "why post now" ?

    I Wrote the Moderators, that I would again reply, Once again, if I felt the NEED. After all, there is No "rule" saying I Must Not Post to YOU, just my Choice to do so.

    I strive, to quote accurate information, especially When... It is a personal quote. It is Part of my ethics.

    I apologize, when I am told I do offend an individual, or if I see that what I said, was Offensive ... I wrote the moderators, that if I reply to you I will maintain Civility, not be Rude but rather, Explain my Point of View, RATHER than hit the REPORT BUTTON.

    I will Return to not replying to your posts, unless as you suggested, "we can become friends", for THAT to happen, you will need to be as Polite... As this post is To YOU, Understood?

    Thank You,

    Sincerely,

    philip
    servant for Jesus Christ, living in the Boondocks along HWY 36
     
  16. Jammer Six

    Jammer Six North Greenlake, Seattle New Member

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    Ever since you showed up here, I've wanted nothing more than to become the best of friends.

    I sense that we are ever so much alike.
     
  17. Asp

    Asp Oregon, the promise land. Active Member

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    How do you get drunk with such little beers?
     
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  18. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    We will see how it goes...

    philip,
    One Day at a Time...
    In the Boondocks...
    But lived in all the Western States, plus Texas an Georgia, as well ... Was born on a Sunday, but not Last Sunday....
     
  19. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    I used to work for a company, that Not One of them drank Coffee... Until I showed up...

    So, first day the boss greets me with a Fresh brewed Pot of Coffee!

    I say thanks, and Re-fill my 34 ounce Mega cup...

    Later, when I moved in with my Fiance' (a different life style 28 years ago), I did a comute of 35 miles to get there, and, the Coffee Pot is still made for me... But Boss Man sees me sipping Coffee as I come in the shop And I pour me an, "almost drain the Pot" Cup...

    Boss man says, "How many Cups a Coffee a day, do you Drink"?

    I say, just ONE
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    But I drink it All Day Long !!!

    He finally realized Volume, and Number of Cups, were Not the same, for an Army trained Coffee Drinker...

    Me, who used to sit at his Radio Repair Station, with a constant POT going All Night long... Heh. It was WITH Three Plus Packs of ciggerettes as well! The work got done, Two Shifts a day in that shop... 12 on, 12 off... 24/7 our H Models, or Dust off, next door, flew... And our shop put out the Best Tuned Radios we could... Just ask "TayNinh Tower, and TayNinh GCA, I did a Fox Mike Comm check 4 to 8 times a night, depending on how Bad the Radio was from the Vibration it ggggoootttttt in iiitsss Moounnt !!!!

    I recall one Radio, that stayed ~in~ in the Shop Two Weeks, cause no one could tune it, bbbbaaaaddddd RrrraaDdio !!! We finally did the "Avionics, THREE FOOTdrop Test" and said Yep, thats a Dead Radio, sent it for exchange... That was Radio #137... Seems like Just Yesterday !!!!

    Micro Beers, iz that like Shot Sized Glasses ??? How ~Many~ refills iz Whatt Counts !!!

    philip,
    Life in the Boondocks is less exciting, so I need not Drink Coffee to keep up... And Tobacco Free for 35 years Ten Months, and (hack) (cough) don't miss a single smoke !!! Some day my lungs will be free from the (cough, hack, hack ...) Former Life !
     
  20. Jammer Six

    Jammer Six North Greenlake, Seattle New Member

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    Oh, I'm sure we can get to be best friends.