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AR scout?

Discussion in 'Scopes & Optics' started by edslhead, Aug 8, 2015.

  1. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I had an old 4x pistol scope and thought I'd mount it up like I see on those scout rifles. It works good ! You can pickup the scope image and still see all around pretty good. With the travel of the butt stock its easy to get good eye relief. Now just to get out and really try it.


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  2. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    You will love it!

    Nothing like being able to keep both eyes open and i've found they shoulder to your eyes focus very quickly.
     
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  3. DieselScout

    DieselScout S Clackamas County Well-Known Member

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    I think it's a great idea.
     
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  4. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Its very different from what I'm use to. I think if I was gonna buy a scope just for this , I'd get a 2x.
     
  5. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I use a fixed 4x
     
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  6. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I currently use a Burris 2x7 pistol scope and have it set to 2x most of the time.

    I would prefer a 1x4+ with a 30mm tube and the largest objective lens possible while still keeping the height as low as possible.
     
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  7. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Greater the power you will lose focus on the field and shut one eye. The original intention was a low power scope for quick sighting and the ability to keep both eyes open on the field.
     
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  8. R3dundantC

    R3dundantC Roseburgish Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I do not see any advantage to do this. The entire reason for having the scope mounted forward on a scout rifle was to be able to have a magnified optic and still be able to use stripper clips and general easier loading.
     
  9. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Very few modern rifles allow the use of stripper clips to reload with the mag in place - most of them are WWII era or earlier. The FN-FAL and the M1A are exceptions to that rule.

    The primary benefit of the forward mount optic - in my experience and opinion - is the maintenance of the field of view, primarily by being able to keep both eyes open at the same time, thus allowing the shooter to make quick accurate shots at lower magnification, especially repeat shots.

    Reloading with a stripper clip is another advantage, as is the general access to the action of the rifle, to work the bolt easier and faster and to clear malfunctions.
     
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  10. R3dundantC

    R3dundantC Roseburgish Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    [QUOTE="The primary benefit of the forward mount optic - in my experience and opinion - is the maintenance of the field of view, primarily by being able to keep both eyes open at the same time, thus allowing the shooter to make quick accurate shots at lower magnification, especially repeat shots.[/QUOTE]

    Which is just as easily accomplished with ACOGs, ELCANs, and Aimpoint/EOTech magnifier combos
     
  11. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    As stated above, I'm using a 4x pistol scope, as I don't have ACOGs, ELCANs, and Aimpoint/EOTech magnifier combos. I'm sure they work just fine. They are generally mounted to the rear which still inhibits your peripheral vision. I suppose you could mount them forward also and get the advantage of a wide field of view around the optic.
     
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  12. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well ya got me curious so I put the old (cheapo site mark) sight back on up in the forward position. Its works great up there aside from being junk:D Now I gotta put my scope back on.:rolleyes:

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  13. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Do any of these have variable magnification?

    Also, to get the benefits, you still have to mount them forward.

    I am not excluding them, they seem like good optics, and I don't think anyone said to exclude those, any optic with the necessary eye relief would work IMO.
     
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  14. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    It's all what ever floats your boat when building a scout rifle I guess. Reading about it back when they first came up with it the goal was to make the perfect light weight rifle for a scout. They designed it as a tool to be used with the tactics a scout would use.

    Today it's just mounting a scope forward on a rifle.
     
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  15. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Take down lever guns just a bout have to have them mounted at the front. On my 10/22 TD I managed to mount it on the back but it still stick out an 1" 1/2 or so. Barely fits the case.
     
  16. Page.k

    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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    When I was looking to do something like that with one of my AR's I picked out a See All open sight. It's light, don't need batteries and the price was lower than I was looking to spend. The next runner up was the Speed Beed but I passed on it due to needing batteries. I ended up mounting it on a quad railed gas block and put a riser under it.
    http://www.amazon.com/Sight-Reticle-Rifles-Pistols-Batteries/dp/B009IDYBJ6
    :cool:
     
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  17. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    My other AR's are so heavy I want to keep this one light. The pistol scope is very light and doesn't seem to throw the gun out of balance at all. I'll have to take it out and shoot some dirt, see how it goes.:p