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AR Pistol VS SBR Legalities

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by NUCLEARMJ, Feb 4, 2011.

  1. NUCLEARMJ

    NUCLEARMJ Lafayette/Hillsboro Member

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    Just wondering if anyone here knows what the tecnicalities are that differenciate a ar pistol from a short barrel rifle? From what i've heard for it to be considered a pistol it cant have an official stock on it, which is why they all have buffer tubes correct? And anything under 16" barrel is no longer a full length rifle but other than that im hoping some one here could fill in the blanks. Thanks everyone
     
  2. el gringo loco

    el gringo loco PDX Member

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    One is a pistol, the other is a rifle. One can be shot by holding in a single hand, the other uses a buttstock. I get the feeling that you are trying to figure out a work around for the SBR laws. If you are using the pistol as a rifle(ie. Putting something on the buffer tube to use to put against your shoulder), it is now a rifle. Go to theATF website and read the definitions, but it basically says that if you can use it like a rifle, it's a rifle.
     
  3. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    A SBR has a stock, a pistol does not. On the pistol it can not be able to "readily accept a stock". A buffer tube with no easy way to mount a standard stock is just a buffer tube and many places sell "pistol tubes" just for this reason.

    Also keep in mind that you have to build a pistol on a receiver that has never been a rifle. IF it has ever had a stock on it then it can not become a pistol.
     
  4. seattlewingsfan

    seattlewingsfan Lakewood, Washington, United States Member

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    You pretty much got it with the above posts. Not all AR pistols have buffer tubes. The new Rock River PDS are nice, definatly more money that a basic AR pistol. But not having the buffer tube sure makes it more compact. You can't put a vertical grip on a AR pistol or it becomes a AOW and requires a tax stamp. I didn't read all the way through the link below. But it has some good info in it.

    AR Pistol, SBR, AOW
     
  5. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    That should read "any pistol" not just AR pistols.
     
  6. cyclesarge

    cyclesarge Eugene OR, DUH! We're ALL in the NORTHWEST Well-Known Member

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    I've always thought it was funny that the AR pistols ARE considered pistols since the buffer tube CAN be used as a stock. The way the law reads is that it can't have a device (a stock) that is "designed" to be fired from the shoulder, but the ATF doesn't regulate HOW a firearm is USED, only how it is configured. That said I have an AR pistol (Mega "PISTOL" marked lower) that I fire from the shoulder all the time.
     
  7. Skang

    Skang WA Well-Known Member

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    Long as you don't have a shoulder stock attached, it's good to go. (Not just take off stock from the tube, you need plain smooth tube with no notches.
     
  8. supergenius

    supergenius 206 Active Member

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    A2 buffer tube with ehd threads removed, longer "sleeve" welded to buffer tube and foam end. ;O)
     
  9. KRISSTDI

    KRISSTDI Oregon Member

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    Although this is true, I have seen probably hundreds if not thousands of gun owners with an AR pistol with a vertical front grip, with NO stamp. I have asked dozens of owners. Not that I care but was just wondering....
     
  10. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    You see all kinds of stuff all the time. You see a lot of SBR guns especially in things like the AR where it is so easy to do. People have no clue they are breaking the law. Some will listen, some wont, some will be bubblegums about it.

    I always simply and politely ask if they are aware that what they have is an NFA item. If they want to know they will ask and I let them know and most are thankful.

    The people that don't want to know or are bubblegums about it, well it is their felinely and $$$ and time and loss of the life they had not mine............
     
  11. billdeserthills

    billdeserthills Cave Creek, Arizony Well-Known Member

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    If you look at the Olympic Arms model 93, you'll see that "They" don't all have buffer tubes.