Oregon AR Laws and what is legal to sell? Barrel length, stocks and what makes them a pistol or short barreled rifle?

[XDMAustin]

Can anyone lead me to a dependable source for the laws on what makes and AR a short barrel rifle, pistol, or full size rifle? Thanks

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[titsonritz]

Can anyone lead me to a dependable source for the laws on what makes and AR a short barrel rifle, pistol, or full size rifle? Thanks

What ever the AFT says at any given moment.

 

[arakboss]

Can anyone lead me to a dependable source for the laws on what makes and AR a short barrel rifle, pistol, or full size rifle? Thanks

The simplest method these days is to treat them like this. If it has ext tube only, it's a pistol. If it has a brace, stock, etc, the feds may consider it a rifle or short barreled rifle if barrel is under 16 inches in length. Pistol config assumes no forward grip.

Pistols have no min or max barrel length requirements that I am aware of.

It's a lot more complicated than this but to be a rifle it has to have a stock of some sort.

 

[XDMAustin]

What ever the AFT says at any given moment.

helpful, thanks.

 

[User 1234]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/undefined/atf-national-firearms-act-handbook-chapter-2/download

If an item is a "firearm" under the federal National Firearms Act, then an ATF-approved tax stamp is required to transfer or possess it. There are exceptions for tax-free transfers to FFLs, government agencies, etc.

 

[XDMAustin]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/undefined/atf-national-firearms-act-handbook-chapter-2/download

If an item is a "firearm" under the federal National Firearms Act, then an ATF-approved tax stamp is required to transfer or possess it. There are exceptions for tax-free transfers to FFLs, government agencies, etc.

i work for a licensed FFL dealer

 

[monkeybutler]

i work for a licensed FFL dealer

So then you know everything already posted here. What, exactly, are you looking for?

 

[arakboss]

i work for a licensed FFL dealer

In the Janitorial Dept?

 

[XDMAustin]

My question is AR specific. If you don't have a reliable source then don't be a Karen and make a smart a$$ comment. Thanks. I know what the "rules" are. I'm just looking for official documents from ATF

 

[monkeybutler]

Then go to the ATF site and find them. It's not hard.

 

[XDMAustin]

Then go to the ATF site and find them. It's not hard.

Eat my shorts

 

[arakboss]

My question is AR specific. If you don't have a reliable source then don't be a Karen and make a smart a$$ comment. Thanks. I know what the "rules" are. I'm just looking for official documents from ATF

There are some links here that will help shed light on changes coming up with new brace rules.

Factoring Criteria for Firearms with Attached “Stabilizing Braces” | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

On January 13, 2023, the Attorney General signed ATF final rule 2021R-08F, “Factoring Criteria for Firearms with Attached ‘Stabilizing Braces,’” amending ATF’s regulations to clarify when a rifle is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder. The final rule was published in the...

www.atf.gov

 

[arrowshooter]

@XDMAustin First of all welcome aboard, but unfortunately your first thread has not gone so well. You really cannot blame @monkeybutler for his response to your working for an FFL dealer, especially since your OP is a pretty general question about AR's. I'll leave your shorts out of it.

@arakboss has posted a link to the new ATF rule governing pistols and braces. There are also new rules defining "receivers". Everything else you need to know is here https://www.atf.gov/firearms, but to generally answer your question it's a lot about barrel length and overall length.

 

[arakboss]

I am reviving this thread since incoming braced pistol rules are going to raise issues about what is a rifle (SBR) and what is a pistol. I have seen numerous posts indicating that the style, length, etc of the buffer tube on an AR pistol might change the classification of a firearm from pistol to rifle. I have yet to find anything provided in the legal definitions that would prove this to be true. If you have links to legal classification rules that indicate otherwise, please post them here.

The simplest legal definition of a rifle can be found here:

Firearms - Guides - Importation & Verification of Firearms - Gun Control Act Definition - Rifle | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Previous Page Download this Section Download the Guidebook

www.atf.gov

"The term "Rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger."


The simplest legal definition of a pistol can be found here:

Firearms - Guides - Importation & Verification of Firearms - Gun Control Act Definition - Pistol | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Previous Page Download this Section Download the Guidebook Next Page Firearms Verification Gun Control Act Definitions Pistol 18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(29) and 27 CFR § 478.11 The term “Pistol” means a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more...

www.atf.gov

"The term "Pistol" means a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having:

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  a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s);
  
• and a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s)."

 

[Yarome]

I did't go read it all, but the links provided above are marked "outdated" (2018) by the atf.gov. The new upated (as of 06/17/2022) link for 478.11 is here:

Federal Register :: Request Access

Definitions have been updated and expanded to include more than just the 2 basic "rife" and "pistol" definitions of days gone by.

 

[arakboss]

I did't go read it all, but the links provided above are marked "outdated" (2018) by the atf.gov. The new upated (as of 06/17/2022) link for 478.11 is here:

Federal Register :: Request Access

Definitions have been updated and expanded to include more than just the 2 basic "rife" and "pistol" definitions of days gone by.

Thanks, it looks to me like rifle and pistol defintions haven't changed.


Rifle. A weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.


Pistol. A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having


(a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and

(b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).

 

[Yarome]

Thanks, it looks to me like rifle and pistol defintions haven't changed.

Could be. I don't own any so haven't kept up on related changes or possible new rules coming out... and where it says what... I just know they are coming after them and attempting to redefine what is and what isn't an SBR.

It may just be all packaged up in the new point system proposal and not specifically a statue defenition change (??) I'm not even sure which subsection the SBR definition is located in.

 

[PiratePast40]

Thanks, it looks to me like rifle and pistol defintions haven't changed.


Rifle. A weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.


Pistol. A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having


(a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and

(b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).

A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand...

I don't recall any uproar about this being added to the Federal Register. This is not good and could easily allow them to drop any new SBR definitions and still achieve their goals.

 

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[arakboss]

A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand...

I don't recall any uproar about this being added to the Federal Register. This is not good and could easily allow them to drop any new SBR definitions and still achieve their goals.

This definition has long been on the books, it hasn't changed recently that I am aware of.