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Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by Soren, Jun 1, 2014.

  1. Soren

    Soren Beaverton, Oregon Active Member

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    I don't have an AR, but I think I probably should get one while we still can. There are a lot out there to choose from.
    What should I look for?
    What should I look out for?
    Should I buy one?
    Should I build one?
    Money is always an issue. So I always try to get the best value, options and features for the money on everything I buy. Don't need a Ferrari, but absolutely will not think about a Prius.
     
  2. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Right now, entry level model ARs can be had for nearly less than what you could build one for.

    All in all, you can nearly not go wrong in terms of
    "what to stay away from"
    The only factor, some things are made better than others, but all function. (Like AKs. :))

    I just would stay away from polymer lowers.. We're just not there yet when it comes to making a strong enough design.. If you plan on doing some real shooting.. That and polymer really ages over time.
     
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  3. BAMCIS

    BAMCIS Eugene Well-Known Member

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    Build? For me, personally? No. Although it sounds like fun to build, why reinvent the wheel when the R&D has already been done by reputable companies? Keep in mind an AR functions as a system. In short, you can't change one thing without affecting (an)other(s).

    As far as which rifle to acquire, you need to find a copy of "The Chart". It was put together by Rob Sloyer over at m4carbine.net. It caused waves in the AR world. So much so that he finally gave up and no longer maintains it. I'm not sure, but I believe he may have even been threatened with legal action by one or more of the rifle manufacturers that were on the right side of "The Chart". However, it had all the info one needs to make an informed decision in a very clear and concise manner. Even better it shows how conclusions are made as to how the different manufacturers compare to each other. See if you can still Google it. If you can't then PM me your email and I'll see what I can do. (As of this writing, since my lovely and gorgeous wife got tired of me yelling at and about my old computer she bought me a new one. Anyway, I'm only about 95% sure I still have a copy.)

    I did the research you're asking about and ended up with three BCM's. I'm not saying Bravo Company is the greatest thing since canned beer, soft toilet paper and the invention of the internal combustion engine, but after doing this research I knew which brands I wanted to seriously consider and the ones to stay away from. (At any price) I knew BCM was right for me. I believe you get what you pay for and what's right for one may not be right for another.
     
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  4. 223to45

    223to45 Whatcom Active Member

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    First what are you intended goal/usage and what is your price range??

    That would help.

    And as far as BCM, +1
     
  5. B5Ben

    B5Ben Boise Well-Known Member

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    cookie THE SOCIALIST STATE OF KALI - FORNIA Well-Known Member

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    Go to Bravo Companies website and read their description of their builds. That is what you want in a AR that will stand up to extreme use. For a range toy buy the cheapest AR and live with it , attach all the tacticool stuff and show your friends. Bravo Company, Colt and Daniel Defense are pretty much top of the line in quality AR.
     
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  7. BAMCIS

    BAMCIS Eugene Well-Known Member

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    It's amazing a lot of guys get emotionally attached to their decision or their choice of rifle. So at the risk of being flamed, the flip side to that coin is Olympic and DPMS. At least that's what the research I did showed. However, to be fair that was about 2 years ago and they could have changed their manufacturing.
     
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    cookie THE SOCIALIST STATE OF KALI - FORNIA Well-Known Member

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    I have been into AR since the early 1970s I have had Colts and later BCMs and they work about as flawless as can be expected. I have seem too many lesser brands choke or break in classes I have been to over the years. I don't flame. I have actually watched a Keltec SU16 ca model run through a 300 round class flawlessly and in the same class lesser AR 15 choke. For what little more top of the line costs why buy less..BUT THEN NOBODY SEEMS TO OWN ONLY ONE AR.
     
  9. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    DMPS for a range toy OK. NEVER a Olympic some of the biggest POS , anything but that.
     
  10. Mr Smith

    Mr Smith 54 68 65 20 73 74 69 63 6b 73 Active Member

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    I won't steer you towards any particular brands, but if you want to shoot standard AR rounds, get it chambered in 5.56 NATO rather than .223 Remington.

    5.56 can cycle both 5.56x45 AND .223 Remington.

    a .223 Remington chambered barrel however will jam the casing if you try to load 5.56 in it and you will have a hell of a time trying to get the round out and could possibly damage the gun.

    the bullets themselves are identical, but the rest of the specs are not. different set depth's, etc..
     
  11. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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    My first was an Olympic. It functioned fine, and I decided to go with a higher end rifle JIC. I got a complete LMT lower and mounted it to a BCM upper. I would go again with LMT or BCM, they have fair prices for the quality. If you want to step up a bit Noveske is awesome, plus they are local (Grants Pass, OR).
    It depends on what you want to do with the rifle. For paper punching at the range anything will be fine.
     
  12. Chet Mclazer

    Chet Mclazer New Member

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    First you need to identify your intended use, specifically, occasional use or hard use, battle rifle or more towards accuracy/sniper rifle. After you define your parameters, you'll have a more refined search.

    Q: What should I look for?
    A: Most important is barrel; length(24in, 20in, 18in, 16in, 14.5in, "pistol length"), material (4150, 4140, stainless) , lining (Chrome, double chrome, Melonite, stainless), manufacture process (Cold hammer forge, button barrel rifling), rifling ( 1/9, 1/8, 1/7), Gas system (rifle, mid-length, carbine).
    Q: What should I look out for?
    A: Polymer upper and lowers
    Q: Should I buy one?
    A: I think you've already decided that. These are very modular guns, you can customize these guns to whatever purpose you desire. I personally love them.
    Q: Should I build one?
    A: I wouldn't go down this route until you have more experience with what you prefer, there are so many after market components, including internal springs, triggers, barrel, bolt carrier groups, piston or direct impingement.

    Perform your own research, you will receive many different answers, as many as there are different personalities out there. You must define your objective first before seeking advice, this will help you with seeking advice that is relevant to you, not the person giving you advice. Most important...have fun! Good luck.
     
  13. 2ndDefendsThe1st

    2ndDefendsThe1st Salem, Oregon New Member

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    I want to buy a stripped AR lower. Can someone recommend a good brand and a place to obtain one in Oregon.
     
  14. tkdguy

    tkdguy Portland, Oregon Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    This board does not like Bushmaster?
     
  15. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    NO :D
     
  16. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    It mostly come down to how much you want to spend and what roll mark you want.

    Some have better finish then others.

    I like mine to be made in WA, but that is me.
     
  17. tkdguy

    tkdguy Portland, Oregon Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    I'm new to this, and the problem with Bushmaster is????

    The reason I ask is because the pricing on the Bushmasters M4 series are attractive now due to rebates. Thanks.
     
  18. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    what kind of deal are they running??
     
  19. BAMCIS

    BAMCIS Eugene Well-Known Member

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    IMHO and I'm sure I'll get flamed, but if I were looking for a range toy then I'd probably get a Bushmaster. To be fair, a range toy is all a lot of people want.

    I'll be happy to discuss this further tkdguy (or any one else) "offline". Just PM me.
     
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  20. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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