AR-10 12 GA GENESIS

Member 66129 · Dec 20, 2022

Does anybody here have experience with the Genesis 12 shotgun that works with an AR-10 lower?

Specifically, I'd like to see how it works with an Aero M5 lower.

cameron25 · Dec 20, 2022

They say any DPMS ar10 lower should work but i havent tested that since i have a complete gun from them. They're really awesome BTW

The Heretic · Dec 21, 2022

Elv8DM said:
Does anybody here have experience with the Genesis 12 shotgun that works with an AR-10 lower?

Specifically, I'd like to see how it works with an Aero M5 lower.

This one?

Member 66129 · Dec 21, 2022

GrayGoose · Dec 21, 2022

I didn't know I needed a new shotgun until now.

Thanks a lot!

Yarome · Dec 21, 2022

The Heretic said:
This one?

SWEET Mother......!!

GrayGoose said:
I didn't know I needed a new shotgun until now.
Thanks a lot!

I'm with you! I was convinced I was good on shotty's a long time ago. Nothin needed but a DPMS 10?

CRAP!

Yarome · Dec 21, 2022

20 week lead time and 30% restocking fee if you cancel. Be sure you just gotta have it... and I... gotta have it!!

The Heretic · Dec 21, 2022

Personally, for the price, I would get the Gen 12 with the Genesis lower because:

1) I could get it as a "firearm" (like a Shockwave)
2) No question as to legality.
3) Genesis only guarantees fit, not function if you don't use it with the Gen12 lower.
4) At $2K+, the complete shotgun is only $600-$800 more than the upper alone - that would be make it worth the extra cost when you take #1, #2 & #3 into account.

The Heretic · Dec 21, 2022

It will be interesting when the Gen 12 hits the market and people buy those uppers - legally, is it then a shotgun if you put it on a rifle lower? Or is a DD because of the bore size (greater than .50")?

Remember, as far as the ATF is concerned, with a rifle lower, it is always a rifle.

cameron25 · Dec 21, 2022

No rifling on the barrels so I believe the 10.5" with brace is an "other" not a shottie or a rifle. The 7" with stock is an SBS. They can also make you a 7" with a brace and it's an AOW, which is only a $5 stamp fee

Member 66129 · Dec 21, 2022

The Heretic said:
Personally, for the price, I would get the Gen 12 with the Genesis lower because:

1) I could get it as a "firearm" (like a Shockwave)
2) No question as to legality.
3) Genesis only guarantees fit, not function if you don't use it with the Gen12 lower.
4) At $2K+, the complete shotgun is only $600-$800 more than the upper alone - that would be make it worth the extra cost when you take #1, #2 & #3 into account.

If 114 and the permit BS doesn't come to fruition then I'd absolutely go that route. I'm currently looking for ideas on what to build with all of the lowers I've picked up. A new lower is not designated as a rifle. If I build it initially as a shotgun, then a shotgun it shall be.

Yarome · Dec 21, 2022

The Heretic said:
Personally, for the price, I would get the Gen 12 with the Genesis lower because:

1) I could get it as a "firearm" (like a Shockwave)
2) No question as to legality.
3) Genesis only guarantees fit, not function if you don't use it with the Gen12 lower.
4) At $2K+, the complete shotgun is only $600-$800 more than the upper alone - that would be make it worth the extra cost when you take #1, #2 & #3 into account.

1) I can too with an "other" receiver
2) See #1
3) Selector switches, hold opens and hammer strength can all be custom modified, if needed.

Con:
4) Why pay $600-$800 for a $200 receiver. See #1, #2 & #3

But the main cons: A 4473 and the 114 ax over our heads hasn't been buried yet. KISS'ing it... an 80% still wins, IMHO.

The Heretic · Dec 21, 2022

Yarome said:
1) I can too with an "other" receiver

Has anyone (as an individual) done this?

The Heretic · Dec 21, 2022

cameron25 said:
No rifling on the barrels so I believe the 10.5" with brace is an "other" not a shottie or a rifle. The 7" with stock is an SBS. They can also make you a 7" with a brace and it's an AOW, which is only a $5 stamp fee

Yes, since it has a buffer tube (required, not empty), one might be able to make it shorter than the 10.5" barrel?

They don't mention OAL on the "Firearm", but it looks like it is quite a bit longer than 26"?

cameron25 · Dec 21, 2022

Not 100% sure on that heretic, you should just give em a call they're awesome people. I did confirm with them that you can build different caliber uppers for their lowers since you aren't permanently altering them. But they recommended keeping their upper near the lower if it's the 7" SBS. They're gonna be coming out with some AR10 uppers next year I think

cameron25 · Dec 21, 2022

The 10.5" is 26.25" to the threads with the brace collapsed, and 29.75" to the threads with it extended if that helps

ilikegunspdx · Dec 22, 2022

Elv8DM said:
Does anybody here have experience with the Genesis 12 shotgun that works with an AR-10 lower?

Specifically, I'd like to see how it works with an Aero M5 lower.

What's the price of these? I might be interested just for fun but the aK 12 gauge is only about $300-$400 and is totally reliable with low brass or high brass, semi auto rate of fire is the same as that $20k full auto polymer shotgun (AA-12) that was made for a while. 12 gauge AKs are maybe one of the funnest guns on the planet. Accepts muzzle brakes that reduce recoil by 70-80% which makes them a joy to shoot. I was so impressed I bought 3 of them.

Full auto (one can dream ha ha)