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Anyone know where to get a 14.5" carbine lightweight bbl w/ fixed PWS upper?

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by das_napeth, Apr 30, 2011.

  1. das_napeth

    das_napeth Snohomish, WA Member

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    Building an AR for the wife and she wants it as light as possible. She also has stipulations for a 14.5 inch bbl w/ the PWS compensator, I tried Bravo Company for it but they only offer the pinned and welded PWS for their mid-length lightweight kit and not the carbine, would they put one on if I called and requested it since they offer it for their other 14.5 inch barrels? If not, does anyone know a different place that would have it or if its legal to buy the parts seperately and get it pinned and welded by a smith?
     
  2. Inside the wire

    Inside the wire Vancouver,WA New Member

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    It needs to be at least 16" in Washington. Anything under 16" is an SBR which falls under class 3, but even with a class 3 you cant own them in WA yet.
     
  3. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    you can buy the parts and have a smith do it. just dont put the upper on the lower before it's pinned... or if you do, don't tell an ATF agent.
     
  4. das_napeth

    das_napeth Snohomish, WA Member

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    Wire , Thanks for trying to look out for me. However, if the barrel is 14.5" w/ a pinned and welded flash hider then the NFA rules do not apply as it is longer than 16"
     
  5. deadshot2

    deadshot2 NW Quadrant WA State Well-Known Member

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    Oh! THAT "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
     
  6. Inside the wire

    Inside the wire Vancouver,WA New Member

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    Sorry didn't see that part. I would say get it sent to you already attached, or if you know some one in Oregon that can do it for you.
     
  7. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    why?
     
  8. Inside the wire

    Inside the wire Vancouver,WA New Member

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    Why not? You cant have a 14" barrel in WA so no one will send it unless the flash hider is already permanently attached making it 16". Unless you know someone with an FFL that doesn't mind taking the risk of having it sent to them then having ATF show up at there door wondering why you dont want to fallow the law.
     
  9. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I have to ask,why do a short barrel and the put a long flash suppressor/muzzle brake unit that weighs as much as 2-3 inches of barrel on it to make a legal weapon?
    Why not just buy a 16" barrel instead? Then put a little hider on it.
    Never could understand this.I rather have barrel than hider.Just me though.
     
  10. das_napeth

    das_napeth Snohomish, WA Member

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    The overall length w/ the pinned and welded PWS takes it to 16.1" so it really isnt bad. But more importantly, Has your wife ever wanted something that didn't make sense to you? and did you get it for her?
     
  11. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    there's absolutely nothing illegal about possessing a 14.5" barrel in the state of WA. we're not talking about a complete gun, we're talking about a part.
     
  12. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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  13. Inside the wire

    Inside the wire Vancouver,WA New Member

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    So your saying I can order an 11" upper and they will send it to me because its not complete? Even though all NFA rules apply when ordering something under 16" in the end he will still need a class 3 just to order it online.
     
  14. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    uhg...

    i'm an AR armorer.. i'm NOT an SOT, nor even an FFL. i've ordered dozens and dozens of short barrels and short barreled uppers, and know dozens of other people who have. it's done all day, every day, all across America.
     
  15. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    the only thing that is expressly prohibited is a complete weapon with short barrel and title I receiver. parts do not SBRs make. there's been one case, in the last 80 years, that i'm aware of, where a guy was prosecuted for possessing a short barrel that wasn't installed- they called it "constructive possession," citing he had all the pieces to make an unregistered SBR, therefor he must be intending to do so. SCOTUS overturned the conviction, stating if the parts in question can be assembled into a legal configuration, it cannot be assumed that parts are going to be assembled into an illegal configuration.

    therefor, anyone can order short barrels. just dont order FA FCGs unless you own an RDS or pre-86 FA receiver (since an FA FCG cant be made into a legal configuration). a sheriff's deputy in hawaii was actually prosecuted for doing exactly that, a couple years ago.
     
  16. Rammit

    Rammit Bothel Member

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    They apply to Firearms, not parts, Its National Firearms Act, not National firearms Parts Act. You can order a stock for a glock too, just dont put them together without the proper paperwork. But If i was goign the cheap route, i would check, AR15.com, thers lots of good deals there both new and used.
     
  17. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    You could be making a pistol with that 11" upper,no?
    I believe they put that "NFA rules apply" on there to protect themselves,cause like bkb is saying,people buy then all the time and make pistols out of them.The manufacturers just want YOU to make sure you know what you are getting and getting into.