The first thing I want to say is no matter what I say, I take responsibility for this. If I would have done my research I would have seen the countless bad reviews and problems. This is a great example of why you should only buy from reputable company's with a known track record and that Google is your friend. http://www.icearms.us/index.cfm I was looking for an upper for a project and saw an offering on Slickguns from Ice Arms that looked just like what I wanted. I had just sold some stuff so I was flush and ready to jump so I just ordered one. The stuff looked pro, the website is pro, everything you would expect. The grand total of my order was $809 so its not chump change. The first thing that should have been a hint something might not be right was I was contacted by Colin from Ice Arms and told their credit card server was down and ask if I could pay via Paypal. I had the dough in paypal anyway so on the 15th of August they send me a money request and I sent them the money. So here we are almost 4 weeks later and no parts. I start doing a bit of searching on Ice Arms and find countless horror story's about folks being flat ripped off, junk parts and every other issue you could think of. They have 12 negative BBB claims in the last 12 months, 4 for non delivery. I don't know that I have ever seen so much negative stuff about one outfit. So I started a paypal "dispute" tonight which gives the seller 20 days to respond. I have asked for a full refund and stated that if UPS shows up with a package from them I will refuse and request it be returned to sender. I did a little search on NWF and see that Colin AKA Ice Arms is a member here. He has not signed on since 11/13. So anyway, in his profile he claimed to be in Ferndale however they list there business address in New Hampshire. Just wondering if anyone here had actually dealt with the guy. I hope I can get this resolved, I am more pissed at myself than anything for not doing some research before dropping that kind of dough. I had planned on buying a BCM upper but they have been out of stock on it for a few months and its $200 more without a BCG. I got excited when I saw this one and jumped feet first into a hole that I couldn't see the bottom. No fault but mine. But at least if I can I want to alert others to read up on these guys before you send them money. I'll update this if something happens.