Let the backtracking begin. Glad to see you have seen the light.
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Anyone bought some legal marijuana yet?
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Justify all you like.
Pot destroys opportunities and lives. Drugs are drugs.
But thanks for so clearly outlining the denial portion of addiction. I spoke of earlier.
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Hey khalsa. what kind of security did you observe in the Dope Shop?
I know it's a cash business for now.
Anyone packing heat?
BTW if the wife wouldn't give me grief about it, I'd buy a small amount just once for the wow factor of doing it open and legally.
Also I'm constantly lecturing the kids against getting involved in it so I don't want to be a bad example.
Besides, sneaking around to buy and then smoke it was half the fun of Pot. They've kind of took all the mystique out of it.
I know it's a cash business for now.
Anyone packing heat?
BTW if the wife wouldn't give me grief about it, I'd buy a small amount just once for the wow factor of doing it open and legally.
Also I'm constantly lecturing the kids against getting involved in it so I don't want to be a bad example.
Besides, sneaking around to buy and then smoke it was half the fun of Pot. They've kind of took all the mystique out of it.
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I was really shocked that they had no visible security... I might have been the only person packing... Maybe they're all concealed carriers? Or maybe they have security only at night or when its busiest..
I went there for the same reason, it's a hallmark of our century to see the prohibition of a plant become repealed by popular vote and I even took several pictures to commemorate the event
You should READ the form 4473 before you comment - here is the exact text of question 11e:
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"
You are correct that using alcohol or marijuana doesn't make you addicted, but the form explicitly states "user of" in addition to "addicted to" - that means that simply being a user is enough to qualify.
Marijuana is still considered illegal by the feds, so yeah, it's still illegal with respect to form 4473. If the feds change it, it won't be an issue, but for now, it is. Are they going to go hunting people down to see if they use pot? Maybe, maybe not. But if they need a reason to go after you, perhaps what they'll do, if you were grabbed for something else, then find out you own a gun, then find out you lied on your 4473 - now they can charge you with a felony offense.
As for alcohol, it pays to know how the government works. You may try to get around it by playing loose with the terms, but they don't. The ATF (on their website) refers you to Title 21 of the United States Code Controlled Substances Act, Section 802, Subchapter I, Part A, Section 802 - Definitions. In that area, they specifically exclude distilled spirits, wine, malt liquor and tobacco from the definition of controlled substances. They further go on to clarify that 'depressant' are those that are regulated as depressants. So even though alcohol may technically have a depressant effect, the Feds don't apply that classification when used in regard to the 4473.
Again, it's just information so folks can make an informed decision. I've learned some new stuff today, so that's a good thing
I'm not a lawyer, but I have been trained to google such things.
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What happens if you have a justified discharge of your firearm with THC in your system from the night before?
That article refers to them keeping their state issued CHL's. We're talking about the Federal Government and their form 4473. Different issues.
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The most recent, relevant information seems to be addressed in this article
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/01/supreme_court_oregon_marijuana_patients_can_keep_t.php
I'm not trying to pick on you. It's an interesting discussion, and is certainly one that should be had, especially for anyone that wants to use and own guns. It's probably a good thing you brought it up.
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It was the "Federal court" who upheld the CHL for a State sanctioned medical marihuana user
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If nothing else it's bringing in lots of tax dollars and hopefully negatively impacting the Mexican marihuana cartels who are horrifically brutal and have destroyed Mexico
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I know when I first smoked pot it was mostly due to the fact it was illegal which made it not only more of a curiosity but also easier for a minor to procure than alcohol
I think the legality may actually make it less enticing for kids to try
I think the legality may actually make it less enticing for kids to try
Right. And they're only referring to the CHL, which is nothing more than a license to carry concealed - it has nothing to do with purchasing a gun, strange as that may sound. It may seem that the feds are contradicting themselves considering that supreme court ruling and the ATF's requirements. And they probably are. But really, who want to try and fight the feds on this? They have far more resources than any of us combined. If they want to get you, they can certainly do it.
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