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Joe said I can shoot on private property without permission.Gentlemen, lets dial it down a bit.
I hope the answer is clear
Ben, this may not be 100% true. I know of a large entity the in PNW that has a lot of land. There have been times that the law has been called. The entity has pressed trespassing charges.
The defense is usually "I didn't know I was trespassing...."
The entities attorney's usually ask a couple simple questions:
1: Is it your property? Usually answered "no".
2: Where you invited onto the property? Usually answered "no".
3: You were trespassing.
*It may be plea-bargained down, but the initial charge is trespassing.
I don't want to argue facts, I just thought I'd throw that in.
So you're not going to back your argument with "facts" other than wikipedia or your criminal justice degree? I cited Oregon state law to back my arguments.
So you're not going to back your argument with "facts" other than wikipedia or your criminal justice degree? I cited Oregon state law to back my arguments.
Why would the entity's attorney be asking anyone a defendant questions? Is the entity's attorney the district attorney? The "entity" can report an unauthorized person on their property to an LE agency. That's the only power the "entity" has. If a responding officer sees a reason to believe a crime has been committed, he may very well elect to arrest. He's going to want to know what measures the "entity" has made to ensure unwanted people will stay away - like required posted "no trespassing" signs at egress and ingress areas, and he's going to ask the perpetrator why they had reason to believe they could be where they were. A decision will be made based on the answers to all those questions, regardless of the entity's will. The "entity" can't press charges - only the DA can do that. Contrary to popular belief, only the state can make a decision to prosecute, and they can and will do so or not regardless of what the "victim" wants. It's often helpful to have the cooperation of the victim, but never necessary, or even necessarily regarded.
Guys, asking this question here was a bad idea. I should have realized where I was and stuck to guns, and guns alone. For that and all the turmoil this caused, I apologize. I am sincerely sorry!
I found the sign odd in loo of the fact that the property was accessible. Trespassing to me is being somewhere you are not supposed to be, or refusing to leave one's property. That's clear cut, and codified in law, and state representatives have voted on it, and the governor signed it! That's what the law says! Trespassing to me isn't arbitrarily decided by the property owner once they have freely decided to let you on their property.
That same sign could be "No standing on 1 leg on this property for 10 seconds" Which would mean that if the sheriff saw me standing on 1 leg for 10 seconds, on said property I would immediately be arrested. Shooting is a legal activity just as much as standing on 1 leg is a legal activity. So I don't see the difference.
So the sign frankly doesn't make sense (legal power wise), simply because a property owner's dictates about their property "ISN'T STATE LAW". Especially after they let you on said property!
If the property were closed off to the public and you ventured in, then YES, as the law states, that's trespassing. But I don't think the law allows anyone to define what trespassing is on their property based on any arbitrary action they deem should be trespassing. That would be allowing people to make their own law, and asking law enforcement to enforce laws that people dream off.
Again for those who are easily distracted, or who are looking to demean people the question wasn't: Is it right or wrong to do it (That's a lot of what I got here as answers), The question was: Does the sign carry power of law?
This thread has run its course, mods feel free to lock it!
That's all I have.
Does a "no skateboarding" sign hold the letter of the law? If the owner saw you skateboarding on their property, which is normally open to the public, they would more than likely call the police. The cops would show up:
Cop: Do you have permission to skateboard here?
Skater: No, the sign clearly says "no skateboarding".
Can the cop issue you a trespassing citation, yes. Will the DA choose to prosecute you? Flip a coin, is it worth the risk?
Does anybody? curious to read stories. Ever get caught? What happened?
Do they patrol their tree farms? The cops? Some look like no one's been there for ages.
Found a 100 to 900 yard flat place, perfect for long range shooting, but there is a gate and a sign on it that says access permissible, but "no target shooting". What to do? Anybody have stories?
I'm not sure what the hub-bub is all about. I lived in St. Helens with property bordering on Weyerhaeuser land for 15 years.