Any Opportunities To Use The Ukraine Invasion To Bolster Firearm Freedoms Here In The US? Share Your Ideas.

[arakboss]

An invasion of the US by a foreign power will seem very unlikely to most people here in the US. But do you think Ukraine's situation could be used to bolster our own firearm freedoms here in our country?

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[Dust2Dollars]

 

[nwslopoke]

Absolutely not. We like our US authoriatism. When American politicians stamp on our rights, it feels good. If the last 5 years and Jan 6th, The Summer of Love, Portland, hasn't opened our eyes, nothing will.

 

[Stomper]

Absolutely not. We like our US authoriatism. When American politicians stamp on our rights, it feels good. If the last 5 years and Jan 6th, The Summer of Love, Portland, hasn't opened our eyes, nothing will.

In addition, as long as tinder, grinder, tik-tok, gay porn, and tofu are readily available, the "fighting age" population will be content.

 

[arakboss]

In addition, as long as tinder, grinder, tik-tok, gay porn, and tofu are readily available, the "fighting age" population will be content.

Don't forget nintendo:

The 'Nintendo Generation' Have Weak Skeletons, Says US Army Weirdo

It's 2022 and the military still doesn't understand video games

kotaku.com

 

[jjfitch]

DUH! "Nobody needs a semiautomatic assault revolver with more than 10 round clips!"

Smiles,

 

[DivCurlGrad72]

Maybe something as simple as sharing memes like the one below (originally posted by @The Heretic ). Or print it out larger for display at locations where Rev. Nutcase's minions are collecting signatures.

 

[The Heretic]

As I said in another thread, there will be those who feel inconvenienced by Russia's invasion of Ukraine, those whol wring their hands and then go on to the next tragedy or continue with their lives, forgetting about it, less who maybe change their thinking but then procrastinate or let it drop, and fewer yet who learn a lesson.

A shift of the tide, swinging the pendulum in a meaningful way? Maybe a little in elections - one can hope.

But I think it will take more - like an invasion of Finland/Sweden and/or Poland and NATO getting up off their asses. I don't think that (invasion) will happen, I hope it doesn't happen, because it could get much much much worse - the fecal matter could truly hit the fan and all bets would be off.

 

[bradsteen]

There are some pretty huge differences between what is happening in Ukraine and what might happen here. Invasion of the US by an external threat is pretty unlikely at present in my opinion - not many powers want to face the US military on their home turf, and having oceans on either side makes an excellent defensive barrier. An opposing force would need to resupply, and a lot can go wrong with a supply chain that stretches across an ocean.

I think civil war is also pretty unlikely, as I don't see any US state governments having the political will, military might, and public support to secede from the union. Could there be warring factions that vye for dominance of the existing US? Sure, but still unlikely. Such groups would need tens of millions of followers, strong leadership, and a compelling justification for violent actions that the public would generally support. I just don't see that happening in the US as it stands today.

Widespread civil unrest is another story. We've seen it happen before on a smaller scale (election riots, George Floyd riots, CHOP, etc.), and there wasn't much that could be done to stop them. I think the US is a powder keg right now thanks to years of polarization by extremes of both political parties. It will take more than a little spark to ignite, but it's certainly more of a possibility than the alternatives.

How you could use the Ukraine situation to bolster support for 2A here in the US? I think that would be a hard sell. Most citizens aren't arming up to fight a war. They are arming up to defend themselves from criminals. There isn't a common enemy to point to, and a lot of people don't see crime in person, just on the news, so for them it isn't a real immediate concern - it's a problem that other people have.

I think it would take an economic crisis combined with supply shortages, widespread rioting, and numerous acts of highly visible violent crime before the average suburbanite concludes they really do need an AR15 after all. I sincerely hope none of that happens.

 

[Kruel J]

There are some pretty huge differences between what is happening in Ukraine and what might happen here. Invasion of the US by an external threat is pretty unlikely at present in my opinion - not many powers want to face the US military on their home turf, and having oceans on either side makes an excellent defensive barrier. An opposing force would need to resupply, and a lot can go wrong with a supply chain that stretches across an ocean.

I think civil war is also pretty unlikely, as I don't see any US state governments having the political will, military might, and public support to secede from the union. Could there be warring factions that vye for dominance of the existing US? Sure, but still unlikely. Such groups would need tens of millions of followers, strong leadership, and a compelling justification for violent actions that the public would generally support. I just don't see that happening in the US as it stands today.

Widespread civil unrest is another story. We've seen it happen before on a smaller scale (election riots, George Floyd riots, CHOP, etc.), and there wasn't much that could be done to stop them. I think the US is a powder keg right now thanks to years of polarization by extremes of both political parties. It will take more than a little spark to ignite, but it's certainly more of a possibility than the alternatives.

How you could use the Ukraine situation to bolster support for 2A here in the US? I think that would be a hard sell. Most citizens aren't arming up to fight a war. They are arming up to defend themselves from criminals. There isn't a common enemy to point to, and a lot of people don't see crime in person, just on the news, so for them it isn't a real immediate concern - it's a problem that other people have.

I think it would take an economic crisis combined with supply shortages, widespread rioting, and numerous acts of highly visible violent crime before the average suburbanite concludes they really do need an AR15 after all. I sincerely hope none of that happens.

Everyone needs one.

 

[ma96782]

Rrrright......have hope.

When many of the "so called well educated" can't figure it out......

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Then.....we got those who have already replaced it with........

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless I say it's reasonable and makes common sense to me."


Aloha, Mark

 

[3MTA3]

Unless you can get people to realize how close to the cliff we are and have always been standing they will never see the need. They will only see the need when it is too late to do anything about it.

 

[The Heretic]

Unless you can get people to realize how close to the cliff we are and have always been standing they will never see the need. They will only see the need when it is too late to do anything about it.

A few will see, but I fear not enough to make a difference at the polls or making their opinions heard enough.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Life needs to get harder; much harder for more people before the basic principle of liberty and arms are heeded... and even then, I have my doubts.

 

[Koda]

Unless you can get people to realize how close to the cliff we are and have always been standing they will never see the need. They will only see the need when it is too late to do anything about it.

Im not certain we are that close to a cliff, which is why so many in the US are so complacent about gun rights. Yet, they cant even see the lessons being learned in real time as they unfold in Ukraine... their country is literally handing out AK47s to literally anyone. In the news one person said they didnt even know how to use it and would have to google it... think about that for a minute, where were their freedom to arms before this unfolded? My guess is just like the rest of Europe.
Right now is a pretty bad time for them to learn how to zero and shoot a rifle. The reporter went on to say shes heard this delimma "over and over" from many civilians there.

 

[The Heretic]

Im not certain we are that close to a cliff, which is why so many in the US are so complacent about gun rights. Yet, they cant even see the lessons being learned in real time as they unfold in Ukraine... their country is literally handing out AK47s to literally anyone. In the news one person said they didnt even know how to use it and would have to google it... think about that for a minute, where where their freedom to arms before this unfolded? My guess is just like the rest of Europe.
Right now is a pretty bad time for them to learn how to zero and shoot a rifle. The reporter went on to say shes heard this delimma "over and over" from many civilians there.

I have to wonder if the rest of the population of Europe is thinking about their restrictions on firearms.

 

[CamoDeafie]

@Koda ; the closest I can think would be the Czech Republic. Its 2002 Firearms Act affirms that civilians have the right to keep, acquire, and bear arms. Unlike the US system, it has a national license system which are shall issue, and provides some training and such, more akin to drivers education. Otherwise... there are those famously Neutral countries that practice citizen-solder principles (conscript/national military service) but they don't explicitly state that citizens have right to arms.

 

[3MTA3]

Im not certain we are that close to a cliff, which is why so many in the US are so complacent about gun rights. Yet, they cant even see the lessons being learned in real time as they unfold in Ukraine... their country is literally handing out AK47s to literally anyone. In the news one person said they didnt even know how to use it and would have to google it... think about that for a minute, where where their freedom to arms before this unfolded? My guess is just like the rest of Europe.
Right now is a pretty bad time for them to learn how to zero and shoot a rifle. The reporter went on to say shes heard this delimma "over and over" from many civilians there.

When it happens it usually happens fast. It doesn't have to be a war. It can be a natural disaster, economic collapse, or anything that disrupts out normal ability to be relatively safe. We are currently a long ways away from hand to hand warfare in the US, but those events that can require us to defend ourselves from an individual to commumity or even national scope can be hiding just around the corner. Our resilience is currently at a low point from economic, manufacturing, agricultural, social, and any other standard I can think of. Eyes open and stay frosty!

 

[sobo]

In addition, as long as tinder, grinder, tik-tok, gay porn, and tofu are readily available, the "fighting age" population will be content.

Don't forget nintendo

...and double-shot, no-foam, caramel, skinny soy lattes...

 

[Koda]

@Koda ; the closest I can think would be the Czech Republic. Its 2002 Firearms Act affirms that civilians have the right to keep, acquire, and bear arms. Unlike the US system, it has a national license system which are shall issue, and provides some training and such, more akin to drivers education.

Wow, this is really good to learn... not just for this conversation but for the gun rights conversation where I hear so often repeated how other countries dont have the "gun violence" we do yet we have permissive gun laws.
Their gun rights system doesn't look that bad, its basically a "shall issue" system but with a more extensive background check and a proficiency exam, also a due process for removing guns if one breaks enough laws rather than just someones word.

Gun law in the Czech Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org