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World population is forecast to peak around mid century at 9.7 billion then begin declining to around 8.8 billion by the 2100.

Some (including Elon Musk) see collapsing birthrates as the biggest threat we face.
It depends on the scenario and who is doing the estimates.

Yesterday I saw an estimate of 12-13 billion by 2086

The people who want continued economic growth, are that are concerned about ethnic/societal makeup, are the ones concerned about lowered birthrates. Whether is is economic or other Ponzi like scenarios, continued "growth" is not sustainable. We have already reached peak carrying capacity in some respects - including resources as simple as potable water.
 
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Look at the bright side, there's no famine here!

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No famine - if you can afford the food.

Broken record time from The Heretic:

Food, energy, water, land, shelter - each will only get more expensive (and for some people, scarce) as the human population continues to grow. Between 1967 and 2011, the world population doubled in size.
The earth can sustain significantly more people if agriculture is used efficiently. The earth cannot sustain more government, and it is a significant surplus of government why we are in the predicaments we are in.
 
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The earth can sustain significantly more people if agriculture is used efficiently.
So farmers are wasting their fuel/water/etc.?

There is only so much arable land, and some of it can no longer be used because it requires irrigation that is no longer available.

We are rapidly getting to the point where we can't sustain the people we have now.
 
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So farmers are wasting their fuel/water/etc.?

There is only so much arable land, and some of it can no longer be used because it requires irrigation that is no longer available.

We are rapidly getting to the point where we can't sustain the people we have now.
Take a chill pill man. That’s a lot of green energy fear mongering going on.

Here’s one example: I have family who have near 70 acres of dairy grazing land in western washington. Because of many things related to government (taxes, regulations, set prices, etc,) it is not profitable for that land to be used as a dairy farm the way it previously had for a hundred years. Instead he leases some of it out to other farmers who are doing “organic milk.”

So when I say, “more efficiently used agricultural land.” It may have nothing to do with the farmer’s use of the land at all and instead the negative effects of too much government involvement.

Edit: anyone who believes we have too many people on this planet is welcome to remedy that perceived problem and remove themselves from it.

I see that same situation with fossil fuels. The loudest voices about fossil fuel use reduction are still flying around in their private jets, creating thousands of times more fossil fuel use than the average person they are claiming should “cut back.”
 
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Isn't that a bit contradictory?
One is an estimate, the other is my opinion based on other estimates and facts.

I don't think we will reach 12B people. I think (and some experts do too) that we will have a big die off at about 9-10B

It is hard to say. There are different estimates based on best, worst and median scenarios. But they all predict a plateau and drop off (die off) of the population. This is not just theory. You see this same thing happen in other species, from bacteria to elephants; they grow until their environment can't sustain them any more. They pollute their environment and consume available resources until they die off because it is basically a closed system with finite resources.

This is what some people, like Musk, feel they can solve or mitigate by expanding our environment by migrating to other planets - which ignores the root of the problem; we have not learned to live within our means. Add to that, the fact that trying to live on Mars is orders of magnitude harder than living in our current environment and would take that much more resources away from the Earth to do so, making the situation here that much worse, while still not solving the problem.

Meanwhile, we are already seeing the problems of uncontrolled population growth. Over fishing and pollution of the ocean. Depleting and polluting potable water sources. Depleting natural resources (mineral, fossil fuels, etc.). And so on.

Not only do we not have the political will to do what needs to be done, we have forces that are actually trying to accelerate these problems because of greed and short term thinking. Then there are the masses of people who deny there are any problems, and those who grudgingly acknowledge the problems but wave their hands and say technology and efficiency, etc., etc., will solve the problems, so don't worry about it.

An individual can't change the course of where we are going due to too many people sticking their cranium up their anal orifices. But an individual can prepare by doing as much as possible to become self-reliant going forward; acquire arable land that has water source, away from population centers, build shelter that is as energy efficient and independent as possible, and grow your own food as much as possible.
 
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Trillionaires/Billionaires and their corporate greed has done more misdeeds and damage than anything else. The goal is to make any problems YOUR FAULT therefore you are to be monitored and given a social credit score and a plate of bugs.
 
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Trillionaires/Billionaires and their corporate greed has done more misdeeds and damage than anything else. The goal is to make any problems YOUR FAULT therefore you are to be monitored and given a social credit score and a plate of bugs.
WE LET the PTB (including some of the wealthy) manipulate us with their lies and schemes because we want to believe them, rather than looking for the truth ourselves.

Much of the blame lays (lies?) with the person in the mirror.
 
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I should've took pics of the empty shelves at the Everett Safeway today.
Grocery outlet six months ago always had grass fed and finished meats at reasonable prices as well as organic/pesticide free produce - oh and Happy Eggs, pasture raised DARK yolks .......

Now it is very rare. Back to translucent white crap eggs and stacks of fake meat GMO soy-boy products.

As an unchained, unmarried dude (lol) I reward myself for my hard work with toys and quality food at most times. FINDING decent foods - especially meats is getting harder each trip.
 
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"Much of the blame lays (lies?) with the person in the mirror."

We are simply no match for Trillionaires and their propaganda, fear mongering gov media. They are masters of human psychology and tactics. Their media does not report news, they pitch a profitable and controlling narrative to the gullible and ignorant. Now that one fear tactic peters out, here comes CC and other scripted frauds to fill the void. Be afraid of this thing now. If you are not afraid you are a selfish bigot or just an undesirable person.

Fortunately, once a person awakens to the constant brainwashing, they rarely if ever return to being a gov mind slave. The face diapers ID'd the compliant drones who are actually starving for the next manipulation coming down the line. Virtue signaling their idiocy.

Gates and crew buying up all the farmland, paying farmers to torch their fields, all of it seems crazy but just another strategy to control the masses. BUGS and recycled sewer water IS the future for the human race.
 
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We are simply no match for Trillionaires and their propaganda, fear mongering gov media. They are masters of human psychology and tactics. Their media does not report news, they pitch a profitable and controlling narrative to the gullible and ignorant. Now that one fear tactic peters out, here comes CC and other scripted frauds to fill the void. Be afraid of this thing now. If you are not afraid you are a selfish bigot or just an undesirable person.

Fortunately, once a person awakens to the constant brainwashing, they rarely if ever return to being a gov mind slave. The face diapers ID'd the compliant drones who are actually starving for the next manipulation coming down the line. Virtue signaling their idiocy.

Gates and crew buying up all the farmland, paying farmers to torch their fields, all of it seems crazy but just another strategy to control the masses. BUGS and recycled sewer water IS the future for the human race.
the person in the mirror is still responsible for whether they believe the lies they are told - or not
 

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