Anti-gun social bigotry in Seattle!

Grunwald · Aug 20, 2013

Dave Workman said:
Culture war: Reality versus the zone of happy thoughts

Washington CeaseFires Ralph Fascitelli made it official yesterday during his remarks launching the gun free zone project that discriminates against firearms owners in Seattle: there is a culture war that the Second Amendment Foundations Alan Gottlieb said gun owners will fight.

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Ralph Fascist what?

Dave Workman · Aug 21, 2013

Grunwald said:
I quit shopping in Seattle few years ago, even though that is where my house is.
I absolutely hate the political leaning of the city. It is run by complete idiot whack jobs whose brains must be contaminated by mold spores.
I would rather drive 30 miles to get into another taxing jurisdiction than to allow Seattle to receive any of my money.

Where do you buy gasoline and groceries? The two biggest expense items you have besides rent/house payment.

Ever eat at a fast food restaurant? Where is that?

Not criticizing you amigo, just putting things into perspective. I cannot disagree with your philosophy.

Have you signed I-591 yet?

SigPacker · Aug 21, 2013

clearconscience · Aug 21, 2013

That guy sure is upholding his oath.

Same idiot that held an independent review for coal in washington then once he got the report and it didn't go his way he tried to hide it. The media blasted him for it and demanded it be released and he reluctantly did so while trash talking the findings and the people who did it.

These people pushing their own agendas need to be removed.

From the earth.

They are nothing but traitors to the constitution and everything it's stands for.
Problem is there are too many of them.

SigPacker · Aug 21, 2013

Give the business owners feedback! We can talk about this all we want but they have no semblance of intelligence in this issue. Give em hell! (Nicely)

Tony617 · Aug 21, 2013

nw1911guy said:
Anyone else notice that a large portion of those on the list are liquor serving establishments?

Bars are off limits to carrying a handgun even with a CCW. There are signs posted outside the entrance to the bar. I just eat in the restaurant and do not drink alcohol when I go out anyways.

Dave Workman · Aug 21, 2013

Bar owner kills robber; would ‘No guns' sign have helped?

For the second time since 2008, bar owner Andy Kochanski has had to use a gun to ward off bandits from his bar, this time killing one suspect and on the same day that Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and Washington CeaseFire launched their "gun free zone" campaign, the shooting was declared self-defense.

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GunnyG · Aug 21, 2013

Tony617 said:
Bars are off limits to carrying a handgun even with a CCW. There are signs posted outside the entrance to the bar. I just eat in the restaurant and do not drink alcohol when I go out anyways.

Not for the owner or his staff. While RCW 9.41.300 prohibits being armed in those areas that are designated by state liquor control board as off-limits for anyone less than 21 , subsection (1)(d) of it does not apply to the proprietor of the premises or his or her employees while engaged in their employment.

If some Capitol hill bar posts a magic sticker on the door, is the owner saying that he's a hypocrite, or an easy target?

deen_ad · Aug 21, 2013

nw1911guy said:
Anyone else notice that a large portion of those on the list are liquor serving establishments?

Where you can't legally carry in WA anyway!

Deen
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"Having a gun is like a parachute, if you need one and don't have it you may never need it again"

deen_ad · Aug 21, 2013

Tony617 said:
Bars are off limits to carrying a handgun even with a CCW. There are signs posted outside the entrance to the bar. I just eat in the restaurant and do not drink alcohol when I go out anyways.

We don't have CCW in WA, it's a Concealed Pistol License or CPL.

Deen
NRA Life Member, Benefactor Level
"Defender of Freedom" award
Second Amendment Foundation Member
Washington Arms Collectors Member
Arms Collectors of SW Washington Member

"Having a gun is like a parachute, if you need one and don't have it you may never need it again"

meener777 · Aug 21, 2013

Also, peeps might go to Yelp and write a review that informs potential customers that this business discriminates against gun owners.

deen_ad · Aug 22, 2013

Oklahomie said:
The most those businesses can do is ask you to leave right?

I read one story that quoted a popo and he basically said that the sign alone was enough notification and they didn't need anything more to charge you with trespassing.

That's going to get to the WA Supreme Court I bet since it violates the actual law. Kind of like what Seattle did with the gun ban in parks!

Deen
NRA Life Member, Benefactor Level
Defender of Freedom Award
Second Amendment Foundation Member
Washington Arms Collectors Member
Arms Collectors of SW Washington Member

"A gun is like a parachute. If you need one and don't have it, you'll probably never need one again!"

GunnyG · Aug 22, 2013

deen_ad said:
I read one story that quoted a popo and he basically said that the sign alone was enough notification and they didn't need anything more to charge you with trespassing.

That's going to get to the WA Supreme Court I bet since it violates the actual law. Kind of like what Seattle did with the gun ban in parks!

Deen

How is that that sticker any different (more magical?) than the "no guns" stickers by the doorways of the Westfield Malls like Southcenter, Capitol or Kitsap? ;-)

deen_ad · Aug 22, 2013

GunnyG said:
How is that that sticker any different (more magical?) than the "no guns" stickers by the doorways of the Westfield Malls like Southcenter, Capitol or Kitsap? ;-)

It's not, but McGinn has seemingly convinced the Seattle police that it is!

Deen
NRA Life Member, Benefactor Level
Defender of Freedom Award
Second Amendment Foundation Member
Washington Arms Collectors Member
Arms Collectors of SW Washington Member

"A gun is like a parachute. If you need one and don't have it, you'll probably never need one again!"

Tony617 · Aug 23, 2013

GunnyG said:
Not for the owner or his staff. While RCW 9.41.300 prohibits being armed in those areas that are designated by state liquor control board as off-limits for anyone less than 21 , subsection (1)(d) of it does not apply to the proprietor of the premises or his or her employees while engaged in their employment.

If some Capitol hill bar posts a magic sticker on the door, is the owner saying that he's a hypocrite, or an easy target?

Yes the bar owner and his/her staff can be armed but still I don't go into bar since it is a violation even with a CPL. I eat in the restaurant area only or if the restaurant area is closed I find another place to eat in Seattle.