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Another School Shooting, this time a Medical/Nursing School in CA

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Morpheus, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    Fatal shooting at Oakland religious school - CBS News

    So, again, how did all of the super strict CA gun laws protect anyone in this gun free zone?

    First understand I don't want to see people get shot or hurt or anything. But I'm kind of getting annoyed by all of the publicity on these shootings. It is on both sides. The whole 'If it Bleeds, It Leads' BS that the news does these days is just horrible. How could any of these people call their selves journalists?

    ARG!

    I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but all of the press lately is starting me to believe more and more about situations like in this book Enemies Foreign and Domestic - About the Book

    I mean, with Fast And Furious aka Gunwalker STILL not getting the spot light it should, how hard would it be to for someone in the BATF to get a 'lone gunman' to open fire in public and get all of the public opinion on their side for a total disarmament?

    So, how do the responsible gun owners combat the media? Suggestions? Because writing congressmen, and speaking to people about it doesn't seem like enough. And giving money to the NRA (who in turn supports BS candidates) doesn't work either.

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  2. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Exactly!!
     
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  3. coyote223

    coyote223 NW Oregon Stamp Collector,,,

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    Fixed it. :winkkiss:


    Your government just wants you to kneel down and be a good little victim, like other sheeple are. :rolleyes:
     
  4. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Six dead, what a shame. Thoughts for the families & friends...
     
  5. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The comment I left on the CBS web site:

    According to 2005 statistics compiled by the South Korean government, about 46% of citizens profess to follow no particular religion. Christians account for 29.2% of the population (of which are Protestants 18.3% and Catholics 10.9%) and Buddhists 22.8%.[66]

    Islam in South Korea is practiced by about 45,000 natives (about 0.09% of the population)

    So there is every possibility the shooter is NOT Christian or NOT religious at all. Might have been there for the education alone. And because of the cultural familiarity.

    The fact of the matter it was illegal for the shooter to take the gun to school. So obviously no law was going to stop this. We do not know how or where the firearm or firearms were sourced nor what firearms were used. They could have been bought off the street or stolen. Or purchased legally. The reason these types of shooting are happening more and more is simple. FAME the shooter desires people to see how upset they are. And since the Evening news will go on an on about a shooting like this. What better way to get attention.

    He could have chosen any number of other ways to kill and be famous but this is the one currently in vogue.
     
  6. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Actually they're not "super strict". For whichever reason Brady uses California as their model state, but IL and NJ are in fact stricter than California. I suspect the reason for that is Brady has large donors in California, and they adjust their scoring system so that California comes on top.
     
  7. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I don't agree with your premise. First, the notion this type of situation is happening "more and more" needs some factual backup. Second, using the two most recent examples of Loughner and Cho I don't think guys this mentally ill are doing what they do for attention. I will admit that I know nothing about the shooting that is the topic of this thread beyond it happened in Oakland and it involved a Korean guy and 7 fatalities. Maybe he did it for attention. I don't know. When I think of shootings for attention I think of Reagan's shooter and even he is mentally ill.
     
  8. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  9. duran21

    duran21 Lacey Active Member

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    when are anti-gun groups going to realize that 'gun free zones' dont work. All they do is give killers free targets. If anything, make schools and other pubic buildings 'concealed only zones' at least then we can still defend ourselves. (oh and I am a supporter of no restrictions on concealment like in Alaska)
     
  10. coyoteman5

    coyoteman5 North south east west Active Member

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    Well with the school band on no guns some unarmed innocent students got shot and killed. They couldnt even defend themselves cause the school took their rights away to defend themselves with the the gun band. I bet this guy knew that they could not defend themselves so he knew he had it easy. Shame on the people who took the students rights away to protect themselves. I hope they are haunted by this even though I really think they are so blind by their arrogance they won't be. My two cents anyway
     
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  11. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Another self defense free zone does the funky monkey
     
  12. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  13. James 61

    James 61 Clark Co Washington Member

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    I'm currently a student at community college and I have read up on the laws concerning weapons. The law is pretty murky and can be interpreted either way. The campus is completely open to the public and is located next to low income neighborhoods and there are frequent car prowls and break ins. I know this for a fact as my car was broken into while I was there taking a final. We also had an a women who was shoved and had racial slurs uttered at her around the same time. Additionally about 12 years ago a former student committed suicide with a hand gun at the outdoor fountain which is in a heavily traveled area and used by children during the warmer months to play in. Luckily he was only interested in harming himself and not taking anyone else with him.

    Where it gets really interesting the fact that my nursing classes are in a building owned and operated by the community college but it is on a university campus. The law prohibits students from possessing weapons but has no such prohibition against the general public. This campus is also open to the public and maps of the walking trails are published in a pamphlet produced by the parks department that is available to the public. The question I have is does the ban on weapons apply to only the university students or does it also include the community college students? For what it is worth the university sells different parking passes to the university and community college students. One the other hand we can use the library (but not the wi-fi) and the gym as perks of being students. So one one hand they view us as separate and on the other the same.

    Because there are so many gray areas and it is nearly impossible to determine if it is legal to carry so we are disarmed and easy targets; espicially at the community college campus given its location and ongoing issues with crime. And don't expect campus security/police to be around when you need them. Which is ironic because they offer to escort people to their cars but it seams they are never available and I have ended up walking classmates to their cars.
     
  14. bnsaibum

    bnsaibum Corvallis, OR Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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    This story is a hoax. It never happened. You all realize that this is said to have happened in a gun free zone and therefore could not have taken place. What part of gun free zone do you not understand? :paranoid:
     
  15. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    HBIII Wilsonville Active Member

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    :rofl1:
     
  17. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Challenging the fatal myth of ‘Gun-free school zones’

    All the nation has to show for this failed gun-free zone experiment is a body count.

    Challenging the fatal myth of
     
  18. duran21

    duran21 Lacey Active Member

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    Community college and university, you can have a firearm on campus, in class, as long as the college or university does not have a policy forbidding it. policies only apply to students and staff, not the general public.
     
  19. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    “The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced”
    - Frank Zappa
     
  20. James 61

    James 61 Clark Co Washington Member

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    Just for fun here is the WAC in question.

    WACs > Title 132N > Chapter 132N-150 > Section 132N-150-240

    WAC 132N-150-240
    No agency filings affecting this section since 2003
    Weapons on campus.

    **Weapons, unless otherwise permitted by law, are not permitted on the college campus, at any other facilities leased or operated by the college, or at any activity under the administration or sponsorship of the college.

    **** Exceptions to this policy are permitted when the weapon is used in conjunction with an approved college instructional program or is carried by a duly commissioned law enforcement officer or campus security officer.

    [Statutory Authority: RCW 28B.50.140. 02-04-068, § 132N-150-240, filed 1/31/02, effective 3/3/02.]

    My interpretation is that as a permit holder I full under the "unless otherwise permitted by law" language and therefor can carry. Would like to hear what others think as it is a bit murky. FYI I've never seen campus security carrying.

    For grins here is WSUs rules

    WACs > Title 504 > Chapter 504-26 > Section 504-26-213

    WAC 504-26-213
    Agency filings affecting this section
    Firearms and dangerous weapons.

    **No student may carry, possess, or use any firearm, explosive (including fireworks), dangerous chemical, or any dangerous weapon on university property or in university-approved housing. Airsoft guns and other items that shoot projectiles are not permitted in university-approved housing. Students wishing to maintain a firearm on campus for hunting or sporting activities must store the firearm with the Washington State University department of public safety.

    [Statutory Authority: RCW 28B.30.150. 08-05-001, § 504-26-213, filed 2/6/08, effective 3/8/08; 06-23-159, § 504-26-213, filed 11/22/06, effective 12/23/06.]


    WAC 504-26-010
    Agency filings affecting this section
    Definitions.
    **** (12) The term "student" includes all persons taking courses at the university, either full-time or part-time, pursuing undergraduate, graduate, or professional studies. Persons who withdraw after allegedly violating the standards of conduct for students, who are not officially enrolled for a particular term but who have a continuing relationship with the university (including suspended students) or who have been notified of their acceptance for admission are considered "students" as are persons who are living in university residence halls, although not enrolled in this institution.

    Once again a gray area. I'm not paying tuition yo WSU but Iam attending undergraduate classses at the community college's building which is on the university grounds. Does the gun ban apply to me or not? Once again open to input