Off topic... I've been hearing a lot about trusts on this Forum... what is up with trusts and firearms?
True. Occasionally people SBR something other than an AR lower. My IMI Uzi has 3 calibers engraved, so I'd have to pick one to put on the Form 1.Slight amendment to this...
A Caliber must be engraved as well. If you have a lower with "Multi" the firearm needs to have a caliber somewhere on it. Most barrels are engraved with the caliber so you may not need to even worry about it.
You're confusing this with 80% lower builds. You must engrave with the name placed on the ATF Form.I recall hearing from previous ATF rulings that you only had to engrave an SBR if you planned on selling it, anyone know if this is true? If I wanted to SBR my Action Arms UZI I wouldn't want to ruin the value by engraving my name on it
Form 1 can be found at https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-forms You want ATF 5320.1 if you want to "make" a SBR, SBS, or suppressor.where and how does one get the form(s) for this? Is this form the same as for suppressors? Can more then one "transaction" be done on this form? Forgive me, This is new territory for me. Also, I am told that for one suppressor the cost is $200:00 and for multi suppressors done with in one year it is $500:00 no matter how many are done, Is this correct? How much does the SBR part of this process cost?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Bye doesn't have a FFL, so you actually need to stay there while they engrave a firearm.In Portland it's Bye Engraving. They do a lot of them and you can watch while they do the work.
You have to engrave exactly as it is titled on the trust. The only thing that can be abbreviated is the state name using what the USPS uses.Can I use an ampersand in a trust name:
K&H Arms Trust
Or would I have to spell out and? ...details...
Well, you don't do a mag dump every time you shoot. When I go to shoot, I load my mags before I leave the house and that limits how much ammo I go thru. Even then, I'm always looking for a deal on 9mm and buy it by the case.That I don't need, I struggle to keep my self in ammo as it is. Thats all I need, 30 rounds gone in 5 seconds. I would need deep pockets to afford a full-auto habit.
Pretty sure that when you Form 1 a SBR, you have to engrave it no matter what. If you want to SBR your IMI Uzi, then engrave the 10" barrel you'll buy. That's how most Uzi owners do it. No way would I engrave, or cut, the original barrel with the matching serial number.I recall hearing from previous ATF rulings that you only had to engrave an SBR if you planned on selling it, anyone know if this is true? If I wanted to SBR my Action Arms UZI I wouldn't want to ruin the value by engraving my name on it
Trusts, like corporations, are "legal entities" and thus can own stuff, like class 3 toys. The 2 main reasons people use trusts as a vehicle to own NFA items are (1) they don't require CLEO sign off like individuals need and (2) others on the trust as trustees can be in possession of the NFA items without you needing to be present. Individuals need to be "in control" of the items. That means you have to be present if you want to share.Off topic... I've been hearing a lot about trusts on this Forum... what is up with trusts and firearms?
I've never heard of a company needing an FFL to be able to hold onto a customer's firearm overnight. You might be thinking you can't leave an NFA item with a shop without an FFL. But if you take your firearm to them before you SBR it, I don't think there would be a problem. Correct me if I'm wrong though.Might want to check and see if they actually have an FFL. Many engraving shops don't know that they need to have one if they do firearms engraving without the owner present. If they don't and there is a problem you could be out your receiver for quite a long time especially if its an NFA weapon. Unless I knew for sure a shop had an FFL I wouldnt let them keep anything without me present.