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Another sample of "Why we always should have a round in the chamber "

Discussion in 'Education & Training' started by corsar66, Mar 18, 2015.

  1. corsar66

    corsar66 Clackamas Member

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  2. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Chambering a round usually requires both hands (unless you have an HK P7 or train racking the slide single-handedly). It's best to just have a secure holster (not a freekin Uncle Mike's sock) and prepare to shoot when you draw the thing...the last thing I'd be wanting to do is fighting with the gun out and be struggling to chamber a round...the real falacy from many people that refuse to carry in condition 1 is that they assume they will always have time and both hands to chamber a round.
     
  3. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    its still good to train rack the slide single handed. Especially since you never know what might happen to your other hand and since the single handed techniques require putting the gun close to your body. (like catching the rear sight on your belt) Best be comfortable doing that rather than shoot yourself in the heat of the moment.

     
  4. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely...rack the slide, reload, perform malfuctions...these are all things you should train on one-handed.
     
  5. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    need a pistol with a protruding rear sight (so that it can catch) and a recoil spring that is not too heavy. Blade tech makes very sturdy belts that work fine for this purpose. The belt is very stiff and also serves to keep your pants in a "ready to jump in" condition at night - like a firefighter jumpsuit ;-)
     
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  6. decklin

    decklin WA Well-Known Member

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    Definitely have a round chambered. I do train on racking the slide one handed but only in case I'm forced to do a one handed reload. Something not only possible but likely if you've just gotten into a gun fight.
    I don't understand people that don't carry condition one. They better hope that if the time comes they can do it flawlessly the first time. Those little maneuvers look cool but why take the risk? How likely is it they'll be standing up straight in a comfortable setting and not laying in the mud in the fetal position frantically trying to chamber a round using their belt?
    It's just stupid.
     
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  7. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Guys get really creative then figure out how to empty and load a 2 inch stubby with one hand... they way you carry one:D.
     
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  8. Vanillagerrilla

    Vanillagerrilla Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    that is why I like carrying my Sig . De-cocker feature is well worth the price, and the combat rear sights have a slot built in for one handed slide racking off a belt or pocket seam.
     
  9. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    I think unless you truly, and I mean truly practice COUNTLESS hours drawing and racking the slide in a variety of scenarios and body positions, you should have enough faith in your skills and abilities to maintain a round in the chamber.

    Racking the slide after your draw, sure Plenty of guys have a few rounds down range in static positions, with their dominant hand & no worry or pressure of a true threat.. And they can maintain motor skills unimpeded by bystanders, body position etc..

    IMO (and others) seconds matter. Id rather have a round in the chamber and have faith in my abilities and equipment than distrust both and assume I can rack a round in time and do lord knows what, given little time.
     
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  10. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    If your down to one arm in a gun fight and your gun isn't working, Id run or switch to a knife.

    And yea, if your uncomfortable carrying a loaded gun then you should become more familiar with thr mechanics and physics involved.

    At the very least, you know you have one almost guaranteed shot If it is chambered.
     
  11. Vanillagerrilla

    Vanillagerrilla Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    no matter what gun or condition you choose to carry, adrenaline and stress will override your thought process, and you will fall back on what your training has been. Practice what YOU are comfortable with. Dont make it complicated , but do practice
     
  12. R3dundantC

    R3dundantC Roseburgish Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    If you don't trust your gun and/or your training enough to not carry with a round in the chamber then you need to sit down and reevaluate both.

    As an aside, I always thought the EFA holsters for Makarovs were a neat idea but once again I believe that if you don't trust your equipment loaded then you need to be carrying something else, period.
     
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  13. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    After watching that video I need another Mak. Always wanted one of the 12 rounders in 9x18. I need more "clips" too as he said. A pretty cool holster if EDC is a Mak. The Baikal one I have shot is very accurate.

    Brutus Out
     
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  14. ConcreteJungle

    ConcreteJungle Eugene Well-Known Member

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    the one thing i never see people practicing is shooting one-handed...and to take it further, non-dominant one-handed. i practice this each time i'm at the range.

    generally i'll run through these drill when i'm shooting pistols:
    -static standing shooting
    -static kneeling shooting
    -forward and back while shooting
    -lateral movement while shooting
    -one-handed (dominant and non-dominant)
    -running to cover and shooting around/above
    All of this is performed while drawing from a holster.
    I'll sometimes run the same drills and perform reloads in the middle.
    next time i'm planning on taking my video camera and snap caps with me. have a friend load your magazines and watch how you react to the *click* instead of the *bang*.

    I encourage everyone, regardless of skill level to attend a handgun course. I've taken a few classes through Defensive Firearms Instruction. I've taken both handgun and carbine courses. Had tons of fun and learned a lot. instructors name is Donovan Beard.
    http://defensivefirearmsinstruction.org/
     
  15. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Hey now, thats my idea! ;)
    Ive done it, its a GREAT training tool.
     
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  16. ConcreteJungle

    ConcreteJungle Eugene Well-Known Member

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    ...great minds...great minds... :D
     
  17. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    I am left handed but learned to shoot rifles as a boy, right handed. So now it is second nature and all my long guns have rt handed actions. The plus side to this is I am almost as accurate with a pistol righty as lefty and either hand feels pretty comfortable....I just need more practice with more ammo!

    Brutus Out
     
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  18. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    And more AMMO:)
     
  19. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Not that I'm awesome or anything (ok, I really am:p), but I take a lot of newer shooters out with me and have found that they can get a bit discouraged if I ring the gong every time and they miss a lot.

    Gives me perfect opportunities to train one handed and with my less dominant (almost ambidextrous, Thanks Grandpa:D) hand.

    Out of all of this time though, I've never tried akimbo weapons with multiple targets. Maybe ill entertain myself with that one the next trip out.

    (I off hand when I bowl and a few other activities for the same reason, no one like to play with someone who wins all the time. Tiger Blood!!!!)
     
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  20. ConcreteJungle

    ConcreteJungle Eugene Well-Known Member

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    Did somebody say AKIMBO....we'll do this Jerry Miculek style. :)



    I've actually attempted this before with static targets and failed miserably. HAHAHA
     
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