Another Mask Attack

[madmax]

I think in the spirit of the context of the thread and the subject matter; I think we can all agree that wearing a mask is the best way to avoid conflict no matter your views on there efficacy.

As proponents and practitioners of concealed carry, avoiding conflict is our greatest tool.

I think we can add mask wearing to the list of things that are best practices.

No
Best pratice is you was your hands and social distance as needed

If you are high risk, take more steps to protect yourself

Key word is "self"

 

[DB is Here]

People need to start taking personal responsibility. Its not the governments job.

I concur and members need to be respectful of other members...as this isn't a Governmental site.

 

[sobo]

I will wear one in public to make others feel better and to avoid self-righteous and panicked people confronting me and trying to escalate things.

This is the only reason I will wear one. I have no desire to be forced to injure someone as a result of their own gross stupidity and/or misplaced self-righteousness.
Be the gray man, in all things...

 

[HaveGun]

No
Best pratice is you was your hands and social distance as needed

If you are high risk, take more steps to protect yourself

Key word is "self"

I'm not talking about best practice to avoid getting the virus. I'm talking about best practices to avoid conflict while carrying a firearm in public.

There are numerous examples of people being triggered by someone not wearing a mask and initiating conflict. As responsible firearms owners, we need to lessen the chance of conflict.

How many people refuse to wear a hat or shirt with a firearms logo to avoid being singled out or drawing unwanted attention?

By not wearing a mask in public, you are drawing attention to yourself and inviting the Karens of the world to start something with you.

 

[madmax]

Oh, in that case. Shelter in place is the best option. Honestly, its the only true way to avoid the karens/kyles of the world.

 

[CRBMoA]

I'm not talking about best practice to avoid getting the virus. I'm talking about best practices to avoid conflict while carrying a firearm in public.

There are numerous examples of people being triggered by someone not wearing a mask and initiating conflict. As responsible firearms owners, we need to lessen the chance of conflict.

How many people refuse to wear a hat or shirt with a firearms logo to avoid being singled out or drawing unwanted attention?

By not wearing a mask in public, you are drawing attention to yourself and inviting the Karens of the world to start something with you.

That is about as mature as it is gonna get, Fellas.

In the famous words of Rodney King, "Please stop hitting me!" or "Can't we all just get along?".

 

[DB is Here]

I'm not talking about best practice to avoid getting the virus. I'm talking about best practices to avoid conflict while carrying a firearm in public.

There are numerous examples of people being triggered by someone not wearing a mask and initiating conflict. As responsible firearms owners, we need to lessen the chance of conflict.

How many people refuse to wear a hat or shirt with a firearms logo to avoid being singled out or drawing unwanted attention?

By not wearing a mask in public, you are drawing attention to yourself and inviting the Karens of the world to start something with you.

Precisely why I choose to wear one in a public place, I covet the grey man habits.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Im a third party welding inspector. Im in and out of job sites and shops from Longview to eugene. No one wears a mask at any place ive been to in the last 4 month. No one reported case at any of these shops or job sites. Sign in, get your temp checked and carry on like normal.

If it was as hardcore as the MSM make it out to me. I would have got it. Im exposed to 100s of people, weekly if not daily. Work long hours. Eat fast food regularly. Lets not forget the heated "conversations" i regularly find myself in, since people fail to follow the contract documents.

Again. None of these places are reporting. Where are these reported positive cases coming from?

With the roits going on, portland "should" have a huge case load.

You probably did get it. Half of everyone probably has.. just "undiagnosed" (oh my heavens!).

 

[Hueco]

For those who may have originally missed my thread the following is the post I responded to which ultimately got me banned from the Henry RIfle forum!

To the people who aren't wearing masks. Why do you want to kill me? I am a vulnerable senior citizen. It is almost like premeditated murder. You know what the consequences could be for me and my wife but yet you still don't wear. Tell me again how your freedom equates to my death.

To which I responded:

Do you believe a non-mask wearer is premeditating his or her actions as a willful act with intent to kill you or anyone else?

Should a non-mask wearer be regarded as a mass murderer and be handled similarly and arrested, or if he or she does not give up willfully be shot and killed because they are a 'mass murderer'

How about this one - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY - If you are so concerned about your personal safety then take steps to ENSURE you own safety and do NOT take a self righteous position and blame others for your unsubstantiated claims because one simply CHOOSES to not wear a mask they are unequivocally, Prima Facie intent on killing you of their own volition.

Your reasoning for this can essentially be applied to anything that invokes personal responsibility on any level.

Oh, and for the record - I think I am a 'Sr Citizen' as well at 61 YOA - However I am very different than most at my age as I do not look it, act it and my DR. tells me I have the body of a 30 year old in condition and health - and this has mostly been due to my own 'personal responsibility' - and not because of the actions of anyone or anything other than my own choices

Awhile back, there was a measles outbreak here and it turned out that someone who had the measles, knew they had the measles, and went to the movies anyway. They just had to go see the next comic book movie on the big screen, I guess.

Should they be held responsible for their actions, if another person got sick? Should they be held responsible if they killed someone?

Personal responsibility is all well and good, but where communicable disease is concerned, we need to talk about responsibility to your fellow man, woman, and child.

In my opinion, had Mr. Measles gotten anyone killed from that theater, yes, they'd be on the hook for knowingly taking their infection into a common space.

Now, translate that to COVID. Add to the fact that the majority of transmission is done asymptomatically. No, this isn't the end of the world.

If you don't think that a cloth mask is effective, then find a better mask. Tell a cloth mask person to wear a better mask.

On another note, California decriminalized not sharing the info of your HIV+ status to your sexual partners. I'm curious if you feel similarly about this as you do COVID. Sure, one must take responsibility to protect themselves from STD's. But, if you know you're HIV+, do you not have a responsibility to share that information so that your partner to be can make an informed decision?

Given that the majority of us will never know that we have or have had COVID, do you not bear any responsibility to your fellow human?

 

[madmax]

You probably did get it. Half of everyone probably has.. just "undiagnosed" (oh my heavens!).

I was thinking the same thing but, Ive had 4 negitive test over that last two months. No anti body test yet.
A few jobs require it. Extremely uncomfortable test.

Im at a loss, if anyone was going to get it. It should maybe, sitistacally speaking ofcourse

 

[trevi]

People need to start taking personal responsibility. Its not the governments job.

Correct!
We The People....

 

[Hueco]

Correct!
We The People....

No, no, no. It says, "We, the individual persons who must never be confused for a collective people..."

FFS, get it right.

 

[powersbj]

Blessed are the peacemakers. I'll wear a mask if it helps keep someone from losing their minds. Went for a hike over the weekend, if someone put on their mask while passing i did, if they didn't, I didn't, easy peasy. If someone has a mask on, I assume there is a good reason and will do my part to help them out, there's no reason to continue to politicize it.

 

[madmax]

Some of you are being far to serious

 

[308]

The helicopter is spraying the potato fields today.
Some folks act like that is how Covid1984 is spread....it's everywhere and yet nowhere, everyone has it except for 99.98% of the population...rrreeeeeeee!!!

 

[American123]

Wear a mask or go back to shutting down the economy? That is a no-brainer.

seems it was more political than medically necessary regardless the amount of toll this is taking on the economy and other facets of Americans is substantial.

 

[Andrew Brown]

Guys, some interesting information on the whole masks thing..

Simple Respiratory Protection—Evaluation of the Filtration Performance of Cloth Masks and Common Fabric Materials Against 20–1000 nm Size Particles

bottom line? 60-90% mask penetration cov -19 sized particles.

Here in the UK we are lucky..

Virustatic Shield - Face Coverings With Built in Viruferrin Protection

British Scientists' Pioneering Protein Paves the Way for Covid-19 Cure - Virustatic Shield

Now. I have had the Wuhan virus [deliberately non PC, having had it, I feel I have the right to call it what I bloody want] and would not wish it upon anyone; even with a "mild" case, the long term effects are close to debilitating at times. It infuriates me that some people do not take even the lowest attempt to protect themselves, here in Scotland, you see people wearing masks in stores but only over their mouths...yeah.
I have worn virustatic shield since early April not because of cv 19 but because it also kills every other airborne virus ie cold , flu etc.

This is the important bit.

post cv19 your immune system will be shot, you either quarantine yourself for a couple of months or GET SMART. Winter will be here sooner than we think. This damn virus will escalate again, you can be sure.

Do everything you can to avoid it.

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[Andrew Brown]

For those who may have originally missed my thread the following is the post I responded to which ultimately got me banned from the Henry RIfle forum!

To the people who aren't wearing masks. Why do you want to kill me? I am a vulnerable senior citizen. It is almost like premeditated murder. You know what the consequences could be for me and my wife but yet you still don't wear. Tell me again how your freedom equates to my death.

To which I responded:

Do you believe a non-mask wearer is premeditating his or her actions as a willful act with intent to kill you or anyone else?

Should a non-mask wearer be regarded as a mass murderer and be handled similarly and arrested, or if he or she does not give up willfully be shot and killed because they are a 'mass murderer'

How about this one - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY - If you are so concerned about your personal safety then take steps to ENSURE you own safety and do NOT take a self righteous position and blame others for your unsubstantiated claims because one simply CHOOSES to not wear a mask they are unequivocally, Prima Facie intent on killing you of their own volition.

Your reasoning for this can essentially be applied to anything that invokes personal responsibility on any level.

Oh, and for the record - I think I am a 'Sr Citizen' as well at 61 YOA - However I am very different than most at my age as I do not look it, act it and my DR. tells me I have the body of a 30 year old in condition and health - and this has mostly been due to my own 'personal responsibility' - and not because of the actions of anyone or anything other than my own choices

science has the knack of overriding opinions with facts.

https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/2...

60 - 90% penetration suggests you'd probably do as well just holding your breath if you are near someone breathing out!

 

[bolus]

It seems people still don't understand what masks do. People who don't believe masks help have no science to back it up with. Just their own opinion/feelings and nothing else.

A woman at the post office was not wearing a mask and came over next to me, shoulder to shoulder, to use a tape dispenser. No, I didn't "mind my own business". I asked the employee why they aren't enforcing the mask policy and this woman made a comment about how everyone should just care about themselves. I told her that's exactly what I'm doing and that I don't care about her one bit.

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I like this one

 

[powersbj]

This one surprised me a bit.