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I don't know the answer and I doubt atf will say definitively. As far as I know magpul angled foregrip and perhaps some other have letters from atf saying that specific angled foregrip is ok. Then peopel took that to mean all angled foregrips are ok. But what is the definition of angled? 89 degrees? 45 degrees? Does anyone actually know for items that don't have a atf letter saying it's ok? I mean bubblegum, they are still saying braces are illegal as of last week or whenever it was.Would this be considered legal on an AR- Pistol? What classifies a "vertical grip" over this grip which only has a 86* degree angle? Thanks for the help.
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You should totally get it, and be the test case. But only after they pass laws making prisoners earn their own keep. And please drop the soap.Would this be considered legal on an AR- Pistol? What classifies a "vertical grip" over this grip which only has a 86* degree angle? Thanks for the help.
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Better yet look to their definition of a vertical grip. It must be perpendicular to the bore, thus 90 degrees. So if we combine the 2 one could make the argument that 89 degrees is technically not a vertical grip.I don't know the answer and I doubt atf will say definitively. As far as I know magpul angled foregrip and perhaps some other have letters from atf saying that specific angled foregrip is ok. Then peopel took that to mean all angled foregrips are ok. But what is the definition of angled? 89 degrees? 45 degrees? Does anyone actually know for items that don't have a atf letter saying it's ok? I mean bubblegum, they are still saying braces are illegal as of last week or whenever it was.
Ahem.... 89.9 degrees isn't "vertical" either!Better yet look to their definition of a vertical grip. It must be perpendicular to the bore, thus 90 degrees. So if we combine the 2 one could make the argument that 89 degrees is technically not a vertical grip.
how about 90.1?Ahem.... 89.9 degrees isn't "vertical" either!
Let's hope the atf under Trump is more lenient.Ahem.... 89.9 degrees isn't "vertical" either!
Hopefully Brandon Herrera gets appointed as director. Wouldn't hold my breath though his past actions hasn't instilled much confidence in Trump and his "support" of the 2aLet's hope the atf under Trump is more lenient.
Trump has been open to outsiders (meaning outside typical political channels) for cabinet posts etc so far. But seems to me that ALL have been personal chronies that have shown personal loyalty etc to him in the past. So he may be too much of an outsider maybe.Hopefully Brandon Herrera gets appointed as director. Wouldn't hold my breath though his past actions hasn't instilled much confidence in Trump and his "support" of the 2a
It's considered a firearm if it is over 26-ish inches and has a second grip position (designed to be fired with two hands but no stock). It's still a pistol no matter how long it is, if it doesn't have a stock and is designed to be fired with one hand.What is the overall length of the AR pistol? I'm sure some folks on here will correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC of the OAL is greater than 26", I believe they are considered a "firearm" instead of a "pistol" and therefore OK to put a VFG on. Or something like that. Granted, that might not stop LE from making an issue of it anyway, but... *shrug*
What is the overall length of the AR pistol? I'm sure some folks on here will correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC of the OAL is greater than 26", I believe they are considered a "firearm" instead of a "pistol" and therefore OK to put a VFG on. Or something like that. Granted, that might not stop LE from making an issue of it anyway, but... *shrug*
Depends on the department. The Clackamas County Sheriffs office has a bunch of gun nuts. They WOULD know.![]()
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Some good reading. Don't expect no cops to know the difference between a firearm/pistol/sbr.
Only if you want to get laughed at for mounting it backwards.how about 90.1?
Forward angle is best, I will die on this hillOnly if you want to get laughed at for mounting it backwards.