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The ratio of CEO pay to factory worker pay rose from 42:1 in 1960 to 344:1 in 2007..... Is this your idea of fairness? Is this your idea of the American Dream? Do you all want to live in a country where a few hundred people live in fabulous luxury while everyone else fights over crumbs? I don't see the attraction here, perhaps some of you geniuses can enlighten me as to why we want to return to the feudal system?

staying on topic- can YOU tell US how these kids are doing ANYTHING of benefit?
 
There's a little more to a CEO's job description than that of a factory worker. Historical fact: a socialist system is not a happening deal.

So in 1960 a CEO did 42x the work of a factory worker.... but by 2007 CEO's were doing the work of 344 factory workers? Wow those poor CEO's must be really tired.

I have no idea why you are talking about Socialism. A return to a reasonable level of equity does not require such ideology.
 
So you want everyone to make the same wage? Notice I did not say "earn", because somehow I don't think that has anything to do with it. Even if your worthless, you should make a "livable wage". Is that the idea?

Class warfare. The have-nots vs. the haves. Gimme gimme! But don't call it Socialism...
 
Why yes, yes I can. They are getting people to take note of just how corrupt and inequitable America has become.

Big deal... people are taking note life isn't fair, as if they haven't noticed since the DAWN OF TIME! If they were filling adult diapers with poop and leaving them on the streets, people would take notice... oh wait some of them ARE leaving their effluvia on the streets!

IMO its tantamount to griping about something without having a VIABLE solution... people just want to beatch, but aren't willing to come up with any VIABLE solutions FOR THEMSELVES. If the "little people" want that 345:1 pay ratio, then I suggest they start their own business ventures... Steve Jobs and Bill Gates started their journeys to 3,500,673:1 pay ratios from a smelly one car garage.

Case in point- I have managed to double my income through hard work, dedication, and a sheer stubbornness against quiting during the worst economy in FORTY YEARS... all without the help of a single government program. There's no guarantee my ride will last forever, but all I can do is work hard, and work smart... that's life in the no excuse zone. ;)

As for making excuses that demonstrations are "open to the public", and "don't judge the core of the Occupy movement"... I didn't hear any lame excuses like that presented on behalf of the TEA Party demonstrations when a COUPLE idiots made racists slurs... the WHOLE TEA Party is now "racists", they were/are making people take note of the corrupted practices of the government too.... therefore the ENTIRE Occupy movement is nothing but violent, something for nothing, unwashed... hippies. :s0155:
 
So you want everyone to make the same wage? Notice I did not say "earn", because somehow I don't think that has anything to do with it. Even if your worthless, you should make a "livable wage". Is that the idea?

Class warfare. The have-nots vs. the haves. Gimme gimme! But don't call it Socialism...

No that is not what I'm saying at all, not sure where you are getting these extreme ideas?
I think if you look at the facts you will find that we've been having class warfare in this country for something like 30 years.... and the rich have been winning big time. Personally I would be fine with a return to the 60's standard of equity, my own sense of fairness is satisfied by a 42:1 ratio. What would be okay with you? Should a CEO make a 500:1 ratio, 1000:1 ratio? How much of your paycheck could be transferred to the CEO before you said F-it and stopped showing up for work?
 
No that is not what I'm saying at all, not sure where you are getting these extreme ideas?
I think if you look at the facts you will find that we've been having class warfare in this country for something like 30 years.... and the rich have been winning big time. Personally I would be fine with a return to the 60's standard of equity, my own sense of fairness is satisfied by a 42:1 ratio. What would be okay with you? Should a CEO make a 500:1 ratio, 1000:1 ratio? How much of your paycheck could be transferred to the CEO before you said F-it and stopped showing up for work?

HOW do you propose we go about "returning" rich peoples' pay to less?

and, once again... how are these "occupy" kids doing anything to help? nobody even knows WHY they're protesting
 
That's wierd, I've never noticed the, "Transferred to the CEO" line in the deductions part of my pay statement... but I DO notice the amount transferred on the lines marked "State", "Federal", and "FICA"... totals about 40-45% of my gross... would you be implying the CEO's of our Federal and State governments by any chance?
 
Big deal... people are taking note life isn't fair, as if they haven't noticed since the DAWN OF TIME! If they were filling adult diapers with poop and leaving them on the streets, people would take notice... oh wait some of them ARE leaving their effluvia on the streets!

IMO its tantamount to griping about something without having a VIABLE solution... people just want to beatch, but aren't willing to come up with any VIABLE solutions FOR THEMSELVES. If the "little people" want that 345:1 pay ratio, then I suggest they start their own business ventures... Steve Jobs and Bill Gates started their journeys to 3,500,673:1 pay ratios from a smelly one car garage.

Case in point- I have managed to double my income through hard work, dedication, and a sheer stubbornness against quiting during the worst economy in FORTY YEARS... all without the help of a single government program. There's no guarantee my ride will last forever, but all I can do is work hard, and work smart... that's life in the no excuse zone. ;)

As for making excuses that demonstrations are "open to the public", and "don't judge the core of the Occupy movement"... I didn't hear any lame excuses like that presented on behalf of the TEA Party demonstrations when a COUPLE idiots made racists slurs... the WHOLE TEA Party is now "racists", they were/are making people take note of the corrupted practices of the government too.... therefore the ENTIRE Occupy movement is nothing but violent, something for nothing, unwashed... hippies. :s0155:

It's funny that you mention Jobs and Gates, why do you know those names.... probably because there are only a tiny few like that who make it. Its a lot like the NFL or NBA, many aspire but there is only room for a tiny few at the top. How come we don't know your name Stomper? Were you too lazy? Not smart enough? Lacking in talent?
A better question might be: Why do we want to have a society where only a very few win big and everyone else - no matter how hard they work, just barely get by?
 
No that is not what I'm saying at all, not sure where you are getting these extreme ideas?
I think if you look at the facts you will find that we've been having class warfare in this country for something like 30 years.... and the rich have been winning big time. Personally I would be fine with a return to the 60's standard of equity, my own sense of fairness is satisfied by a 42:1 ratio. What would be okay with you? Should a CEO make a 500:1 ratio, 1000:1 ratio? How much of your paycheck could be transferred to the CEO before you said F-it and stopped showing up for work?

It's easy really: Any employee should earn as much or as little as they are worth to the employer. No fairness ratios involved. If someone is worth $5 million an hour, so be it. And who cares what someone makes anyways? It's between the employer and employee. Not your business at all. Where is it written that there should be any kind of "fairness"? What is that? Life is not fair, deal with it.

Believe it or not, your ideas are Socialist in nature.
 
How do you get this?




Without with out this?


Who is to dictate what a private company pays its employees whether the CEO or factory worker and at what ratio ? It should be a free market's determination. "A return to a reasonable level of equity" sure sounds like Socialist ideology to me.

You should look up the word Socialism..... its government OWNERSHIP of the means of production.
Regulation on the other hand is about rules. It's something we've always done..... well until recently.
 
That's wierd, I've never noticed the, "Transferred to the CEO" line in the deductions part of my pay statement... but I DO notice the amount transferred on the lines marked "State", "Federal", and "FICA"... totals about 40-45% of my gross... would you be implying the CEO's of our Federal and State governments by any chance?

CEO's are sneaky like that... they take away your cash by getting you to work harder for less money then they give themselves a bonus for your extra productivity.
 
It's funny that you mention Jobs and Gates, why do you know those names.... probably because there are only a tiny few like that who make it. Its a lot like the NFL or NBA, many aspire but there is only room for a tiny few at the top. How come we don't know your name Stomper? Were you too lazy? Not smart enough? Lacking in talent?
A better question might be: Why do we want to have a society where only a very few win big and everyone else - no matter how hard they work, just barely get by?

I'll most likely never make it to financial "All Star" status, and most likely neither will you... tough-tittie-toenails. As for people not knowing my name? Well, actually many people (in my world) do know my real name, and many know my on-line name around the world, and as a matter of fact one of George Lucas' associates has one of the products I make sitting on his desk. In reality, I have always preferred anonymity and never craved the "spotlight".

ALL work is honorable... ALL Work, but should someone who is only capable (or only aspires) to be a "ditch digger" make as much as someone who has spent countless hours over the course of YEARS in training, schooling, working in "less than hospitable" environments for say... over TWO DECADES to become one of the BEST at what they do?

Does that mean I advocate those with "skills" should stack the deck in their favor at the expense of those less capable... no. Everyone is an individual, with different aptitudes, skills, attitudes, etc. Everyone (as far as I can see) has equal opportunity to get educated (I'm a product of public education). Being a white male, I never got a danged thing from any government agency, I've had to work TWICE as hard to get to where I'm at... I didn't squander my public education by wearing baggy pants, hittin' the pipe, hangin' out on the street corner and ditchin' class writing Rap songs about beatches 'n ho's... well maybe I ditched class once in a while, but I left there proficiently literate.

Where the error lies is that many believe "equal outcomes" should be made "more level"... and that means someone on a panel deciding deciding who makes what... and THAT is centralized socialism... didn't work out to well for the Soviets in the end. ;)
 
If these folks protested the disproportionally unfavorable tax rates that those of us who actually work have to pay, as much as they protest 'corporate greed', I'd be on board.

So far...meh...

Keith
 
That's wierd, I've never noticed the, "Transferred to the CEO" line in the deductions part of my pay statement... but I DO notice the amount transferred on the lines marked "State", "Federal", and "FICA"... totals about 40-45% of my gross... would you be implying the CEO's of our Federal and State governments by any chance?

Oops. I missed this the first time around. This.

Keith
 

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