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Anatomy Of A School Shooting :

As much as I hate this topic its one we need to understand if we are ever going to refocus our youth in public schools. Near every every school shooting is done at a publicly funded K12 school.

School are creating in my opinion zones for these to occur.
  • Most schools are open campus some with no fences or many entrances
  • They are designated Gun Free Zones.
  • They teach fear of guns in the classroom
  • They segregate cultures and feed guilt.
  • They discourage yet do not address bullying
  • There is no mental health counseling in most all schools.

What this tells a Shooter : In order to above.
  • Easy access
  • No one will have defenses.
  • Simply showing a gun = Instant fear
  • Shows favoritism towards non-whites
  • Many school shooters have had cyber and school bullying this gives justification.
  • There is no one to tell them what they are doing is not normal.

As I typed this up I realized how simple the concept of a school shooting is, and these inadequacies also allow superintendents and teachers to fuel their anti-agenda. It almost seems like teachers and superintendents want shootings so it will help this agenda move along doing some research allot of these school leaders at these school shooting locations start to have a pretty descent political career. Not accusing anyone but sure looks fishy, you set polices kids die you get rewarded. We have to realize that the majority of these nuts also have no problems taking a unborn child's life so a shooting is easier for them to ignore.

This is just my own personal take, perhaps you have other ideas... its just what I think.,:D
 
Please allow me further time to research further on your points made in initial post, but here is a good start for open discussion:

According to research, which finds that shooting incidents involving students have been declining since the 1990s; researchers
Fridel and Fox used data collected by USA Today, the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Report, Congressional Research Service, Gun Violence Archive, Stanford Geospatial Center and Stanford Libraries, Mother Jones, Everytown for Gun Safety, and a NYPD report on active shooters which showed "Four times the number of children were killed in schools in the early 1990s than today", Fox said.
"There is not an epidemic of school shootings," he said, adding that more kids are killed each year from pool drownings or bicycle accidents. There are around 55 million school children in the United States, and on average over the past 25 years, about 10 students per year were killed by gunfire at school, according to Fox and Fridel's research.

Fox said, however, some policy changes aimed at decreasing school shootings and gun violence in general certainly have merit. Banning bump stocks and raising the age of purchase for assault rifles from 18 to 21 are good ideas, and may lead to a decrease in overall gun violence, he said. But he doesn't believe these measures will prevent school shootings. "The thing to remember is that these are extremely rare events, and no matter what you can come up with to prevent it, the shooter will have a workaround," Fox said, adding that over the past 35 years, there have been only five cases in which someone ages 18 to 20 used an assault rifle in a mass shooting.

Fridel said increasing mental health resources for students is another strategy that might improve school safety, calling this a critical need that has been historically overlooked. She also said that the U.S. is facing a desperate shortage of guidance counselors. In 2014-15, the student-to-school counselor ratio was 482-to-1, according to the American School Counselor Association, nearly twice the organization's recommended ratio.

"You might have students in a very large school who are troubled but who are basically flying under the radar, because you have one guidance counselor for 400 students," Fridel said.
 
Please allow me further time to research further on your points made in initial post, but here is a good start for open discussion:

According to research, which finds that shooting incidents involving students have been declining since the 1990s; researchers
Fridel and Fox used data collected by USA Today, the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Report, Congressional Research Service, Gun Violence Archive, Stanford Geospatial Center and Stanford Libraries, Mother Jones, Everytown for Gun Safety, and a NYPD report on active shooters which showed "Four times the number of children were killed in schools in the early 1990s than today", Fox said.
"There is not an epidemic of school shootings," he said, adding that more kids are killed each year from pool drownings or bicycle accidents. There are around 55 million school children in the United States, and on average over the past 25 years, about 10 students per year were killed by gunfire at school, according to Fox and Fridel's research.

Fox said, however, some policy changes aimed at decreasing school shootings and gun violence in general certainly have merit. Banning bump stocks and raising the age of purchase for assault rifles from 18 to 21 are good ideas, and may lead to a decrease in overall gun violence, he said. But he doesn't believe these measures will prevent school shootings. "The thing to remember is that these are extremely rare events, and no matter what you can come up with to prevent it, the shooter will have a workaround," Fox said, adding that over the past 35 years, there have been only five cases in which someone ages 18 to 20 used an assault rifle in a mass shooting.

Fridel said increasing mental health resources for students is another strategy that might improve school safety, calling this a critical need that has been historically overlooked. She also said that the U.S. is facing a desperate shortage of guidance counselors. In 2014-15, the student-to-school counselor ratio was 482-to-1, according to the American School Counselor Association, nearly twice the organization's recommended ratio.

"You might have students in a very large school who are troubled but who are basically flying under the radar, because you have one guidance counselor for 400 students," Fridel said.

I read that study, it was one of the more honest assessments by someone that isn't pro-gun that I've read.

As to the 5 cases of someone under 21 doing a mass shooting, if you go to Mother Jones' study on mass shootings you also see, as I recall, only 2 of those shooters got their guns legally, the rest either stole them or got them in some other illegal fashion. So we're talking about banning gun purchases for all people from 18-21 based on 2 shootings. I do believe Mother Jones' number of 'mass shooters' 18-21 was a bit higher, I think around 14 total. In that list 1 was a current duty LE under 21 and the other was active duty military. That left 12 to get their guns by other means, with only 2 of the remaining 12 purchasing them legally.

Unfortunately, too many people will ignore the results of these types of studies. Still, it's nice to see they're out there.
 
The true main reason for these shootings is REVENGE!

Against authority, "enemies", control (see through back packs), being ostracized.
 
All of the facts listed in the above posts are all well and good, but it means nothing because we live in a world where FACTS DON'T MATTER!

Don't get me wrong, facts are a good thing to have, but the sooner you approach this topic from this angle and develop "skills of persuasion", the less time you'll waste. 100% of human beings are irrational 99.9% of the time.

Humans operate on emotions that are influence by their perceptions, which in turn is influence by their pre-determined "predjudices/pinions", which (again) drives them to only see the "facts" that back up those "predjudices/opinions"... an "echo chamber" if you will.

Sadly, inside every anti-2A person is a pro-2A individual that is just one mugging, rape, or an assault away.... o_O
 
Well defined, common sense and fact filled information...

Just a sad shame that those that are "ANTI" refuse to listen or even hear...

Well done gentlemen... :D
 
Fox said, however, some policy changes aimed at decreasing school shootings and gun violence in general certainly have merit. Banning bump stocks and raising the age of purchase for assault rifles from 18 to 21 are good ideas, and may lead to a decrease in overall gun violence.....

LOL......banning bump stocks. Rrrright, cause bump stocks have been used at the mass murders at schools? Raising the age to purchase. Rrrright, because these are KIDS. They can fight and possibly die for the country and your rights (the ones you like). But no firearms for them. Because, firearms are dangerous in the hands of KIDS.

How about thinking for a second....."If I were a mass murderer, which way would I be going?"

Next_School_Shooter.jpg

Not saying that it's THE SOLUTION to all the mass murders at schools.

Hummm, when I was growing up........there were semi-auto firearms and even F/A firearms back then. But, not many mass murders at schools. So why is that?

IMHO, instead of focusing on an OBJECT,* try looking at the people. Try looking at the affect of changing societal factors: the proliferation of the "single head of household" families, what kids are listening to as music, watching on TV, movies, playing as games, the acceptance of ugly politics, the use of violence in protest, illegal and legal drug usage, terrorism connections, religious connections, mass media reporting and coverage (as if: making a STAR of evil acts/people), what is being thought in schools (the 2nd A is about hunting, rrrright), etc.....

*It's not like an object.....will get off of a table by itself, load up a magazine by itself, go down to a school and start killing by itself. There is a person behind the trigger. Blaming an object, is like blaming a spoon, for Rosie O'Donnell being fat.

Aloha, Mark
 
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All of the facts listed in the above posts are all well and good, but it means nothing because we live in a world where FACTS DON'T MATTER!

Don't get me wrong, facts are a good thing to have, but the sooner you approach this topic from this angle and develop "skills of persuasion", the less time you'll waste. 100% of human beings are irrational 99.9% of the time.

Humans operate on emotions that are influence by their perceptions, which in turn is influence by their pre-determined "predjudices/pinions", which (again) drives them to only see the "facts" that back up those "predjudices/opinions"... an "echo chamber" if you will.

Sadly, inside every anti-2A person is a pro-2A individual that is just one mugging, rape, or an assault away.... o_O

Please understand, the 'facts' are developed forensically, or after the the event is over and developed, to say this delicately, to fit the profile those doing the investigation perceptions. For example, LEs take out the shooter, the report goes down the shooter had remorse and took their own life!

Remember, all these school shootings are judicially sealed to protect those with QI who might have misconstrued the facts, innocently or purposefully from answering explicit questions by a forensic scientists with better knowledge, or equipment, etc.

Those trained to investigate are trained by trainers who were trained by treainers using second hand knowledge from the specialist as the train keeps running down the tracks!
 

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