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You are absolutely correct, I have done considerable roots research in the recent, and found that I have people in my family that held office and were Democrat and wore the robe...a sad truth but the democrat party is not held to its history and what it is actually doing to the freedoms of minorities, they are more responsable for keeping them on the plantation longer than anyone else.
 
well i have a legitimate argument- arpaio treats un-convicted men like POWs in a nipponese labor camp.

bubblegum that guy, i hope he finally gets the boot.


Sheriff Joe can be a stubborn person and I would hate to be innocent in jail especailly tent city in the desert...but what does an innocent person look like in jail?
Sheriff Joe is a Sheriff, not a life that you or I would choose but I feel he is one of those men who stand in the gap were others fear...as I have said before I am a crime victim and you will find much more liberal looking the other way with dirtbags than with them getting what they deserve, Sheriff Joe treats dirtbags like dirtbags...
if I was King for a day if someone proved to be a real dirtbag and I mean a real dirtbag that is a reprobate....I say get biblical with them our tax money can goto better things.
 
Funny how people hop on the bandwagon for facism when it fits the "agenda".

Asking someone for their papers and pulling someone over based upon their race and nothing more is simply wrong and unethical conduct. We cannot encourage this "proactive" policing with Hispanics anymore than with Mr. Pyles being dissarmed. The key to immigration control is boarder security and holding businesses accountable for hiring LEGAL workers, not by having a Gesto-like police state.

Whats wrong with asking someone for their "papers"? i have been stopped numerous times as a young person just so a cop could see what i was doing late at night and check my id, is that invading one of my rights? is this policing of the young? i was never doing anything wrong and never had a problem with it. By the way do you have any proof that someone has been singled out for just their race and not engaging in suspicious activity? I say go ahead and pull over white people and send all the illegal europeans back too!:s0155:
 
Can you realize what it has been like for a cop to stop a car for a traffic violation and they don't speak english, no license, no insurance, 7 in the car and you're not allowed to ask if they are legal immigrants. How stupid can Americans be ?
 
I served my country and put up with socialized medicine and facist type rules so that people like you don't have to ..

You're talking to another vet chief...so take that card and shove it right back where you pulled it out of.

I respect your opinion, too bad it is asking for too much for you to do the same. I can be as critical of my government as I please, and this law has "lets piss on the Bill of Rights" all over it. Many critics of the "Patriot Act" were labeled as "terrorist sympathizers" and "unpatriotic".

Well, sir...when the Feds come knocking at your door because you fit the profile of a "right-wing militia-type terrorist" because of your race, military background and political beliefs, don't come crying to me for help.
 
True, but irrelevent. That's not what the law says, or does!

FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

"Papiere, Bitte." (Translation: "Papers, Please.")

A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

So, you can be arrested for nothing more than being Hispanic and not having any photo-ID on you.
 
Alright, Riot. What do we do?

Continue to let the thousands cross over the boarder every week. Once they get in and get settled just let them be?

Do you think that these illegals got it down by now? Quickly blending in. I meet an illegal that was here in Portland that had been in the USA for only a few days. His other illegal friend/worker who has been here for years told me.

Once they make it up into America they will find the ones who have been here and they know where to send the new illegals. They know how to get them placed into the mainstream of things in OUR country real easy now.

So tell me you thoughts Riot. If not showing ID's, Passport, Birth Certificates then what?
 
"Papiere, Bitte." (Translation: "Papers, Please.")



So, you can be arrested for nothing more than being Hispanic and not having any photo-ID on you.

Entering the US without Having been accepted to immigrate here is a crime in itself, and warrants a stop.
There are literally millions all over the world that want to come here.
You use to have to have a sponser here, and a good reason to come here and then go through the proper channels and take classes in the US Constitution and swear allegence to The United States of America to be allowed to stay here. These people just come here and take and take and take then send the money back to Mexico. They take our jobs and reduce the wage scale for everyone else, they do not just take jobs no one else wants, they take the prime jobs that millions of Americans would do, they get free education that YOU pay for, they take free health care at your expense, they steal your and anyone they can....ID and SS numbers. They then get in your face if you tell them they can't do that and scream to the ACLU that their rights are being violated. It is about time people stood up and demanded they prove their citizenship or leave.
What they need to do is fix their own Mexican Corrupt Government and make jobs for themselves in Mexico.
What ever it takes to stop this.... more power to the ones that take the initive to get it done.!!
Mexico is one giant drug cartel and what they peddle is death to our kids and anyone they can sell their poison to. Personally I think they should have brought the Berlin wall here and erected it between Mexico and the US. Gun towers and all...........................
The Mexican side of the border is literally a WAR ZONE NOW, and it is over flowing into the US Border states and their gangs are setting up inside the US. Enough is enough ! Bravo Arizona and I hope every state takes the same action.
 
And as for Sheriff Joe. I commend him for his actions on illegal immigration and enforcing the law.

But I think he is a jerk in how he treats people. People make mistakes, they can do their time. He seems to have a need to rub a persons noes in it just because he can. People like that always get paid back. This life or the next.
 
Entering the US without Having been accepted to immigrate here is a crime in itself, and warrants a stop.
There are literally millions all over the world that want to come here.
You use to have to have a sponser here, and a good reason to come here and then go through the proper channels and take classes in the US Constitution and swear allegence to The United States of America to be allowed to stay here. These people just come here and take and take and take then send the money back to Mexico. They take our jobs and reduce the wage scale for everyone else, they do not just take jobs no one else wants, they take the prime jobs that millions of Americans would do, they get free education that YOU pay for, they take free health care at your expense, they steal your and anyone they can....ID and SS numbers. They then get in your face if you tell them they can't do that and scream to the ACLU that their rights are being violated. It is about time people stood up and demanded they prove their citizenship or leave.
What they need to do is fix their own Mexican Corrupt Government and make jobs for themselves in Mexico.
What ever it takes to stop this.... more power to the ones that take the initive to get it done.!!
Mexico is one giant drug cartel and what they peddle is death to our kids and anyone they can sell their poison to. Personally I think they should have brought the Berlin wall here and erected it between Mexico and the US. Gun towers and all...........................
The Mexican side of the border is literally a WAR ZONE NOW, and it is over flowing into the US Border states and their gangs are setting up inside the US. Enough is enough ! Bravo Arizona and I hope every state takes the same action.

You are a patriot, and I agree!
 
And as for Sheriff Joe. I commend him for his actions on illegal immigration and enforcing the law.

But I think he is a jerk in how he treats people. People make mistakes, they can do their time. He seems to have a need to rub a persons noes in it just because he can. People like that always get paid back. This life or the next.

I have watched him and read about him for several years now, and I think his intentions are right.
He creates and environment that makes anyone that is
in his jail not want to come back. He has one of the lowest repeat offender rates in the country. He doesn't mistreat people, he just does not give any of the niceties, like TV, or luxuries to those in his custody, no air conditioning in the summer or heat in the winter beyond the minimum. His cells are tents and beds are cots. He feeds balony or meat roll type food. He makes the stay unpleasant and gives the incentive to not come back. If more jails were like that, I think the crime would go way down in a hurry, or the criminals would find a place far away from the part of the world to commit their deeds. His sole intentions are to disuade anyone from commiting a crime that would return them to his "care" <G> The moral fiber of this country has gone to **** in a handbasket and places like Sheriff Joes just might return some of those old values to people that lost them.
 
The moral fiber of this country has gone to **** in a handbasket and places like Sheriff Joes just might return some of those old values to people that lost them.

I remember hearing that since he has been sheriff, that his county has paid out more then like 40 million dollars in crimes committed from his department. Don't quote me but it was something like that.

Doesn't sound too morally fibered to me. Maybe Sheriff Joe needs some of his boundaries checked? Maybe he doesn't care. Is he above reproach?

All of those controversial things he has done or let be done must have ALL been a lie? Yeah imagine if all Sheriff's were like him?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

I wouldn't take this as fact but makes a person wonder. Is he trustworthy?

Inmate complaints and Lawsuits

From 2004 through November 2007, Arpaio was the target of 2,150 lawsuits in U.S. District Court and hundreds more in Maricopa County courts, with more than $50 million in claims being filed,[60] 50 times as many prison-conditions lawsuits as the New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston jail systems combined.[61] Allegations of cruel treatment of inmates as well as living conditions have been cited by Amnesty International in a report issued on the treatment of inmates in Maricopa County facilities.[62]

Inmate deaths and injuries

Family members of inmates who have died or been injured in jail custody have filed lawsuits against the sheriff's office. Maricopa County has paid more than $43 million in settlement claims during Arpaio's tenure. [64]
 
Google the democratic party and the KKK.........:s0001:

Yes, back when the Democratic party was the party of the white, anti-federalist, states-rights Southerner, but both parties have had quite significant ideological shifts since the sixties and though the labels remain, both modern Republican and Democratic politics are significantly different than they were pre-1960s.

As for Arpaio, there's something not right about him.
 
re: Sheriff Joe, Bull Connor, Lester Maddux, George Wallace, Strom Thurmond. Jesse Helms. It's a proud tradition. That is, racists are proud of it.

to all you bleeding hearts out there that like to insert the race card at every Opportunity
this is not about you or your race this is about breaking the immigration laws of this country !! Arizona is taking on what the feds wont do and that is enforce the law !!!
 
Yes, back when the Democratic party was the party of the white, anti-federalist, states-rights Southerner, but both parties have had quite significant ideological shifts since the sixties and though the labels remain, both modern Republican and Democratic politics are significantly different than they were pre-1960s.

As for Arpaio, there's something not right about him.

Yes the Democratic Party has become the Communist.Socialist Party and the Republican Party has aproached the title of the Democratic Party.

As for Arpaio... Not right if you are a criminal, but he sure gets the message across... "Don't come back... you won't enjoy it here !" Most don't do crimes if they have been there. He runsa a jail that is a deterrent to crime, not a country club. His methods are effective at deterring criminal behavior. Not meant to be "nice"
Many jails and prisons only teach criminals how to be better criminals and make their stay more like a country club spa. He makes their stay harsh, simple and feeds only food to keep them healthy, not like a cafeteria or restaraunt. One stay there and behavior is corrected for most to go straight and not repeat that experience.
Most jails in the country are more like a motel stay for criminals and definitly not much of a deterrent.
His jail is far better than the jails in Mexico, South America, and other parts of the world.
To me it seems that only people that are concerned about their own behavior enough to worry they might end up in a jail like that are the most outspoken against it. Or their kids are in enough trouble they might end up there, thus the falling moral fiber issue of the Nation.
Personally I would rather go back to the day we didn't have to lock the doors and store everything in vaults and safes and have to have surveilence cameras everywhere, and a time when business could be conducted with a simple handsake and not with the need for a staff of lawyers to protect you. I doubt we will ever see those days again, but I can sure remember those times. Things like Home invasion robberies were something that happened in East Berlin and Moscow by the government, not in every neighborhood in the US by some damned meth heads.
 
Sheriff Joe, Bull Connor, Lester Maddux, George Wallace, Strom Thurmond. Jesse Helms. It's a proud tradition. That is, racists are proud of it.

:s0112::s0112::s0112: I suspect that you are a government employee who has lived off the back of the people all your life. You must have been indoctrinated and PC fills your nostrills to the point you overflow with horse pucky:s0112::s0112:

Your point on Racism is addressed as if whites are the only racist. I understand your PC world and hope someday you can break the chains of your indoctrination and be American again. I suggest you read the constitution to help you along.

jj:s0112::s0112::s0112:
 
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