Can anyone tell me what the USA murder rate would be if we took out drug related murders and gang related murders? Why would i ask this? First of all, drug related murders would be committed by someone ALREADY COMMITTING A FELONY by trafficking or using drugs. 2nd. Gangs do just about nothing legally, so therefore they are probably committing a crime also when they decide to shoot someone. These are the people that would DEFINITELY NOT COMPLY with ANY gun laws. These are murders that are going to happen regardless. So punishing law abiding citizens for something that wont stop anyways is kinda stupid. We should also remove deaths by police in the line of duty if those are included, and any legal justifiable shooting. Although i might be wrong, I'm sure these are both included in the numbers the gungrabbers are quoting because they want as many people dead by guns as possible to promote disarming everyone.