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Akdal MKA 1919 12ga Shotgun

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by civilian75, Aug 31, 2012.

  1. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    So, has anyone in this forum got one of these? And what are your thoughts/range report? If you've also tried or owned a Saiga, how do they compare?



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  2. Skang

    Skang WA Well-Known Member

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    Saiga-12 is way better choice.

    Many configurations.
     
  3. SICARIO

    SICARIO Oregon City Active Member

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  4. volcomdork182

    volcomdork182 Gresham/portland New Member

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    Buddy just bought one. He loves it. I want one so bad, i might just have to put one on layaway. Asked several people at a reputable gun shop which they would choose and everyone but the "ak" guy said get the mka. It is build like a tank but isn't extremely heavy. Also they shoot 3'' shells along with 2 3/4. That is the game changer for me. But then again, i am a ar guy.
    On the thoughts of the saiga, I have never been much for stamped steel receivers unless they are the 1.5mm. But a milled receiver on one would be nice.

    Both are great shotguns but it really only depends on what you as a buyer like. Go to a shop and hold both feel both.

    The 1919 lower receiver is plastic, but the upper is made of aluminum. Are you sure it was a 1919 you saw and not a bushmaster "lite" composite?
     
  5. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Right now there are many many more parts, furniture, optic and magazine choices for the Saiga line of shotguns. This AR shotgun is an interesting response, but what is the quality of workmanship out of the Turkish firm that builds them and what track record do they have outside of the US commercial market? The Saiga, in its normal-looking original Russian configuration (i.e. not the 922r compliant frankenstein that it needs to be in order to be legally imported into the US) is a combat-proven platform and very reliable when using the buck and slugs it was designed to shoot. There are issues with many Saigas not running properly out of the box with cheapo WallyWorld bulk, but many other autoloaders can't do that either and the Saiga can be easily tuned to run those too.

    Keith
     
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    SICARIO Oregon City Active Member

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  7. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Why does everyone want a milled receiver AK? I've never heard about any reports of the stamped ones failing. It's not like folks say "the original milled AK is super reliable but the stamped ones are jam-o-matics!"

    I like the idea of the 1919 (well I should say the Akdal MKA 1919, because I LOVE the browning 1919!). I hope it does well and is a reliable weapon because the more the merrier in this great country. For now I'll manage with my saiga 12.
     
  8. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    No one eschews or looks down upon the HK91 or most any of its myriad clones because of their stamped recievers, so why do stamped AKs get such a bad rap?

    Keith
     
  9. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    So far, not a single "owner" has chimed in. :\
     
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    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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  11. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    DTD, thanks.
     
  12. FAL

    FAL Salem Active Member

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    So has anyone had first hand experience with one of these yet? This shotgun appears to be getting nothing but rave reviews....
     
  13. jacobsot2448

    jacobsot2448 gresham New Member

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    The 1919 is a great gun the down fall is that there are just a few accessories for it.but overall a bad *** gun
     
  14. KCB

    KCB Hillsboro Active Member

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    Side note-Anyone who has any reason to dislike or have an issue with a stamped AK probably has very limited knowledge and/or experience with the platform, just sayin.. As per the topic, If you want a 1919 Willamette Valley just got one in a couple days ago and I think it's still there. I have not shot one and don't have much interest to, Saiga 12 is a much better choice for me.
     
  15. jacobsot2448

    jacobsot2448 gresham New Member

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    I should of mentioned in my last post that i already own one.
     
  16. mydearas

    mydearas Seattle, Wa Member

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    Just picked it up off Armslist from a guy selling a M10-762 AK which is all I really wanted, but buying both ensured I got them over the other 10 email replies he had, was going to sell the Akdal, but after research I'm interested in seeing how the aftermarket plays out, I see potential. I already own a semi-tricked out Saiga-12 so we'll see how it stacks up. Hopefully get to the range in the near future with it.
     
  17. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I just got one yesterday. Cheaperthandirt had a special going on so I bought one for Black Shotgun Saturday. Once it stops raining for a bit I will head out to the range and break it in. Read a lot about them on that Saigaforum. Seems like the early ones were buggy but even those were really reliable with buckshot and slugs and it was only the low powered target loads that would hang up. I had a Benelli M1 Super 90 that would hang up on cheap target stuff. The reports now say that once it is broken in, it will shoot most of the bulk shotshell loads reliably. I guess I will find out.

    The build quality for mine is mediocre. The plastic front sight was put on canted. You can adjust it but I just took it off anyway. The rear carry handle/rear sight is flimsy. The rear sight has both peep and "v" aperture but it was on the windage adjustment screw at an angle and not very well constructed. The fixed sight systems would work but are of a quality below that of a Keltec. I own a Sub-2000 so don't flame me on the Keltec comment. :) The upper receiver has a standard picatinny rail now as I guess the early ones were oversized. My Aimpoint Pro fits on it nice and solid.

    The primary reason for me to buy this weapon was control layout. The only difference between it and an M4/M16 is the charging handle. On the MKA 1919 it is on the bolt like the Remington style semi-automatic shotgun it is underneath its black gun styling. The safety is classic M4 and flicks on and off with the same effort as my M4 carbine. It is not loose but it is not too heavy either. It is not going to get flicked off brushing on clothing but nor will it bother you to swipe it off with your thumb. The bolt release looks a bit bigger than the M4 ping pong paddle but it works the same. The magazine release seems a bit stiffer to operate than my M4 and is not quite as high and the fence around it seems off center but adequate to protect the button.

    The magazines are steel and seem solidly built, they are a little hard to load but since I have never loaded a magazine for a shotgun I do not know if this is normal or not. It may be the ammo I am using or just operator error. The handguards are thin cheap plastic. They are narrower than you would think from looking at a side view. I don't mind though as I have small hands. The lower receiver is plastic and the mold lines are uneven. This was especially annoying on the inside of the trigger guard and I used a razor blade and a nail file to smooth it down. Same thing on the front of the pistol grip. Easily remedied but still annoying.

    I will give a report on how it shoots and disassembly and cleaning after I come back from the range. Disassembly is going to be a pain because you need a ten inch extension and a ratchet to separate the receivers.

    For the future. 922R parts are available so you can use ten round magazines and put a folding or M4 type buttstock on it. There are also replacement handguards with rails coming out for it. I do not know if I will spend the $100 or so it will cost to get 922R legal so I can spend even more money on expensive ten round magazines or stocks and handguards. The options are there if I decide on that later. My inclination is that my wallet will not allow me make this into a 3 Gun racegun. Right now, it feels comfortable putting it to my shoulder. It feels a lot like my M4 or an M16A2 which is not only in my muscle memory but genetically encoded into my DNA after 25 years of having one or the other. This is why I wanted to try this shotgun. Currently it is only a 5 + 1 12 gauge. My Remington 870 is only a 6 +1 as are most semi auto tubular magazine shotguns. The speed of reloading of this magazine fed shotgun will make up for that lost 1 round in magazine capacity.

    For those who prefer the Saiga, more power and mag capacity to you. I own an Arsenal Saiga and love it but the controls are not what I am most familiar with and the magazines are more difficult to change out. Yes, I have fired a Saiga 12. I also cannot afford to trick out a Saiga. Same reason I own a Jeep instead of a Porsche Cayenne. :)

    I will see if it works and is something I will bet my life on. Would I trust it to bounce around the gun turret of a Humvee like a Mossberg 590A1? Hell no! Fortunately, I don't have to do that anymore. :) From here to the front door with OO buckshot, I think it will get the job done. Once I verify its reliability at the range with buckshot and slugs, I will figure out a way to put a light on it and it might just take its place as my home defense/camping shotgun. Here are a few pics.

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    Here is a shot showing how narrow the handguards are compared to their height.

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  18. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Just got back from shooting at my gun club. It is kind of what I expected. Worked 100 percent with my Sellier and Bellot 12 pellet OO buckshot defense loads and 0 percent with BiMart cheap stuff. Maybe it will get better as things wear in. I might get the gas booster ring that is supposed to improve light loads. I doubt it though as I did not buy it to bust clays. Still works with light loads but its a bolt action as it doesn't even eject the hull. I like shooting buckshot and the S&B stuff is fairly cheap. It will shoot 3 inch number 6 steel shot with 100 percent reliability. Magazines don't drop free but I have read there is an easy fix for that. The MKA 1919 comes with two magazines. One is marked 2 3/4 and the other is marked 3 inch. Limited experience with limited ammo but both magazines fed my 2 3/4 S&B loads that are actually closer to 3 inch in size. Both also fed the 3 inch loads fine as well. My Aimpoint Pro was fine and I centered the dots in my buckshot patterns at about ten yards. I will play with slugs later. All in all I think its a keeper. Its fun to shoot and runs my defense loads perfectly. Another shooter was surprised after thinking I was shooting an AR-10. Another hadn't even heard of the gun and was quite intrigued about it. I think there is definitely a market for it and if a US firm made a lower then you wouldn't need all this 922R parts replacement hassle. Here is a slow fire video of the the buckshot loads. Range frowns upon rapid fire and I didn't have a very good stance in between the benches. The recoil is not bad though, even the 3 inch steel shot loads didn't hurt at all. I tend to like big booms though. :)
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  19. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Did a couple home defense or "TACTICAL" modifications. Yes, I said the T word. :)
    I added a small picatinny rail under the handguard for a weapon light. I feel that a light on a defense weapon is essential. I prefer to use the magazine well instead of a vertical fore grip. I also added a buttstock shotshell carrier which will also add a little weight for balance and recoil mitigation. I like the velcro ones over the elastic stretchy ones because they don't move around and can be removed from the weapon easier than a bolt on plastic carrier. If you buy extra carriers you can just slap new ones on as you use them up in a training course for example. I might get a brighter light but the M3 Streamlight is one that I know can stand up to very rigorous treatment and keep going.

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  20. Brack

    Brack South Clark County Washington New Member

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    I just picked one up a week ago, and I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. I really wanted to get this gun due to my ability to manufacture the aftermarket parts that are not available. Most likely my first project will be a break, but depending on my available machine time, I might start somewhere else.