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Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by rick49, Nov 23, 2015.

  1. rick49

    rick49 Lewis Well-Known Member

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  2. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    While that is a good meme, honestly, it was an invasion. And genocide. It was NOT a refugee issue.
     
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  3. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Yep. The only early Americans who treated Indians decently were the Quakers. Read the book, "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown.
     
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  4. rick49

    rick49 Lewis Well-Known Member

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    Remember the first Thanksgiving in our childhood lore? The red man took in the white man and kept them from starvation, cold, and the hazards of the season.
    Besides my post was satirical not meant to be factual.
    Rick
     
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  5. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    That's not accurate Garg.
    Invasions involve extensive military personnel and battle plans from the beginning.
    By definition the pilgrims were refugees, attempting to avoid religious persecution as well as subjective and unreasonable prosecution and subsequent imprisonment by the forces and capricious laws of King George.
     
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  6. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    Okay, fair enough Jamie. The end result was we slaughtered 99.9 % of the indigenous population. Call it what you want, it was an invasion, and genocide.

    Edit. Maybe I have a a few too many beers..... for that I apologize.
     
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  7. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Curious what the indigenous did to each other before we arrived.
     
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  8. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Garg
    "We" infers we accept our predicessors as our own.
     
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    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    It began as a refugee scenario. We just have to wait to see what becomes of it. The lack of assimilation means invasion. Low birth rate for one group while the other has a high birth rate means one goes to extinction. That replaces the genocide but the effect is the same it just takes longer.
     
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  10. 4Freedom

    4Freedom Boise, Idaho Well-Known Member

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    In fact, you and Garg are both correct. It was an invasion and genocide by former refugees. As they say, history repeats itself. Look at Paris, former refugees gunning down and massacring unarmed natives. The entire nation of Belgium is in lockdown and people still cannot leave their homes. People are prisoners in their own land thanks to the refugees they brought in.
     
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    NWGlockgal Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Waged wars against each other and also had slaves.

    Many of the indigenous people were killed by diseases brought over by European settlers since they
    had no immunity against them.
     
  12. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    arguing about what you can't control.....
     
  13. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Come on. We gave them a nice pre-warmed blankie for Manhattan. Score!
     
  14. Hawaiian

    Hawaiian Tigard Oregon Well-Known Member

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    To keep this firearm related..... No one is taking your guns away is like saying, the reservation we are moving you to will be much better for your people. Right, we all know how that worked out.

    The government still speaks with forked tongue.
     
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    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't it those really kool blankets and pillow cases from the TB and Measles hospitals given to the Indians by the British not our Fore Fathers.
     
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    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    We didn't kill the indigenous people here any more than they were killing each other.
    They were doing all the same stuff people like to say we brought here,like slavery
    I mean if y'all feel bad about it,find out where your family came from and head out! Give the land back.
    Back then there was plenty of open country to homestead.yes we brought diseases and such but oh well. We needed a new place to expand,that's what humans do.
    But this is now a settled country. We have our own values and traditions. So from the old countries some American made.
    We are established. We start letting in people who don't want to assimilate but want to take over and we will have big problems.Only unlike Europe,we won't stand for it as nicely.
     
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    albin25 Lewiston Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I suppose after the "New" invaders have out populated, or killed the "New"
    natives (us) they'll move the stubborn, surviving non-muslims to reservations and pay us treaty money?
    My only question is....so when do I get my Casino?
     
  18. 4Freedom

    4Freedom Boise, Idaho Well-Known Member

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    In Islam, you must pay a jizya (Muslim Tax) and you will be treated as a second class citizen. Read about the lifestyles of the Jews and Christians who lived in the Islamic lands throughout history. Despite, being almost completely exterminated, the ones who could pay were allowed to live or not sell their daughters as sex slaves, etc.

    No casinos, but if you get a nice ruler, he may promise not to ransack your village and allow you to practice your "Book Religion" /Monotheistic religion without executing you.

    Check the number of native reservations in Muslim countries. All the natives had to integrate, live as slaves (Only Monotheists, Christians, Jews, etc) or were executed.


    IF you want to read an interesting history of Islamic invasion into India and Pakistan (which use to be mostly part of India before Moghul invasion), you can read about the Sikh wars against the Moghul empire. The type of things done to Sikhs were horrifying. Basically, convert to our Islamic religion or we will bound you in ropes and saw you in half..

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    Had it not been for the Sikh resistance against the Islamic immigrants (invaders) into India, all of India would have been a Muslim country today, as the policy of Muslims was to force conversions of all Hindus and Sikhs.
     
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    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    The blood that would run in the streets before that happened in the US of A
    Those little 'terrorist hunting permits' ?
    That would change to 'Muslim hunting permit" in a hurry
    Tey are hitting soft targets.Maybe to gain some recruits ? maybe to get their followers excited?
    They know if they hit Germany,UK,the US that they will be hit back hard. That the citizens of the US at least,will hit back.
    Not a Howard Stern fan,but maybe we need to do what he said right after the 9/11 attack.
     
  20. thorborg

    thorborg portland oregon Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Most of this is BS.
    There isn't a utopian piece of land anywhere in this world that has not lived, or is living now through some sort of horrific oppression since life began on this earth. To manipulate, coerce, control or otherwise influence anyone because of anything that has happened before you were born and outside of your control is ludicrous.
    Ethics, morals and life in general are constantly evolving, (not always for the good)
    While we must learn from the past, I refuse to accept the premise I am in any way culpable for past transgressions of anyone.
    I place no value on, and find no merit as a human, for those who would judge or control me by the actions of others in the past, for they either have ulterior, sinister or unkindly motives, or are unthinking minions.