Sometimes I really wish that Manuals all had similar info on various loads. For instance Nosler makes a Bullet I really like for my .243 Varmit rifle. 55gr. Ballistic Tip Fast moving flat shooting nasty results little bullet. But in the Nosler book no info on OCL or if you prefer COAL they just give the Max which is 2.710 At 2.710 you can barely get the bullet to stay in the case. Now Hornady lists the various OAL for their bullets (course they don't make a bullet like the Nosler) So I can figure it out or at least know I can run the slug down until I get a 2.600" OAL And yes I know how to set a bullet based on hitting the lands (the Nosler is way to short for that to happen) Just seams like it would be nice for each publisher to include all the info a person might find really useful. I got 44 years experience with reloading so I know how to do this stuff but there's a WHOLE bunch of younger guys and guys just getting into reloading that only have the books to rely on. Little rant over.