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A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT / why the Second Amendment exists

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by fredball, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. fredball

    fredball Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    [TD="width: 100%"] A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......December 29, 2012 marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians

    at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal
    agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after
    the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the
    297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the
    Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were
    awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

    We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee

    is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation”. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre,
    which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.

    Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

    Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the

    right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government.
    The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting”
    was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls
    were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting”. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and
    tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

    As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty”. Far too many times, unjust gun

    control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection”. The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush,
    was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy
    for “safety”. Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms,
    all in the name of “our safety”.

    Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something

    for just one minute - Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible
    one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element
    will always find a way around it.

    Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found?

    In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed
    to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders…but only after they have been disarmed to
    the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to
    their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened”.
    Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people.

    Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to

    Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

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  2. loosearrow88

    loosearrow88 salem, oregon New Member

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    man you said it. i really hope theres more like you in our government. we are in real need right now.:thumbup:
  3. DireWolf

    DireWolf Oregon Active Member

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    I was going to cut out a quote to comment on, but that has too much code in it.

    Bringing up actions on Pine Ridge is a bit silly. There was another Pine Ridge incident with AIM in the 70's, and they were armed with AR-15's. They got screwed then, too. Leonard Peltier has been a political prisoner ever since, and he is rarely discussed or defended.

    I didn't realize this would be a topic of interest here. Generally the genocide of Native Americans, and the public's relative acceptance of those actions, are not a popular subjects.
  4. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Great post fredball.
  5. Bushman

    Bushman Auburn, WA Well-Known Member

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    GREAT post.
  6. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee" was required reading in my Freshman English class. 1973-74 it certainly wasn't a government washed version of the event.
  7. DireWolf

    DireWolf Oregon Active Member

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    Good book.
  8. JackThompson

    JackThompson Valley of the Demons Well-Known Member

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    That's the question that has been on my mind lately.

    Ok, so let's pretend for a moment.

    Let's pretend that the current regime is a benevolent, kind, loving group of people that honestly believe they are protecting us and has our best interest at heart (I said lets pretend!)

    Ok. So if we can imagine all of that, let's take the laws, rules, new police groups (DHS, TSA), FISA, NDAA, Executive Orders and the disarmament of the American citizens and put a NON-Benevolent dictatorial group in charge.

    What could they do with all that power? If we continue to give up EVERY means to decide our own fate, what do we have to protect ourselves against leaders that wouldn't hesitate to use these laws and powers against us to turn the US into a complete police state?

    Did Hitler or Stalin have more power than this?

    It seems without our arms they have the same power and we're just counting on leadership to be nice.

    I don't want to count on that.

    I already NEED these insane laws overturned, I don't need more oppression.