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Obligatory note, this is a crosspost here and at M4C.
I've been distilling some of the thoughts we've had here into a rebuttal for some of the Fuddcuck pretenders among the conservatives at RedState, and since I'm trying to distill this community's collective thoughts into a "with one voice This Is The Gun Community's Counteroffer" I thought I'd ask you guys to help me refine it, pile on clawbacks from the decades of uncontested acquiescence to Grabberfascist demands and generally better let the thoughts of this community flow through my fingers and into the keyboard.
---begin draft---
For too long, the Gun Grabbers have been playing, as Lawdog would call it, the "gimme half your cake today, then I'll come back and demand half of what's left tomorrow, then repeat ad infinitum" con game, and we in the arms community are sick and tired of it. We're sick of this, we're sick of them, and we're sick of all you Fuddtard Kapos, Virtue-Signaling cucks, and Vichy Republican sissies-in-dresses and your Failure Theater games where you pretend to fight for policies we want then secretly scuttle them in Committee. We're done with that game, and we're done with you--if you want us to give on UBC's and Red Flags, there better be safeguards WE deem acceptable on both, and we better be GETTING something tangible in return. So here's our "Take This Deal or Go Take A Fat Cock Up Your Arse and Die of AIDS" counter-offer...
On Universal Background Checks: We demand the 4473 be greatly simplified to prevent "backdoor registration". Name, address, DL #, optional space for SSN/UPIN. No firearm data collected. No waiting periods except in Delay or appealing Deny--iron goes home immediately upon a Proceed. Alternately, to ease the process we would also accept a 1-800 number or mobile app where anyone can call in a check, again collecting transferee data only and not anything that could create a "back-door registry"; alternately go with a Livescan-based BGC idea like this proposal by M4C member "rero360":
On "Red Flag" Laws: Crenshaw pays a good lip-service game, but there are things in his list of conditions that need to be tightened down. VIPR337 at M4C compiled this list of "Crenshaw Conditions," my amendments and quantifications in bold.
* Petitions initiated by law enforcement, not by spurned dating partners or relationships from long ago.
* Ex parte hearings only when there is proof of necessity.
* Proof by clear and convincing evidence, which has been corroborated.
* Guarantees of all due process rights, including cross-examination and right to counsel.
* Court-appointed counsel if the respondent so wishes.
* A civil and criminal remedy for victims of false and malicious petitions. False red-flag filers REQUIRED to be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law on Federal "deprivation of rights under color of law", ZERO prosecutorial discretion.
* Safe and orderly procedures for relinquishment of firearms. ^Relinquished weapons to be kept in double-locked cases with one key retained by the owner and ONLY opened under owner supervision.^
* <strike>Strict controls on</strike> Prohibition of no-knock raids.
* Storage of relinquished firearms by responsible third parties.
* Prompt 2-3 business days restoration of concealed carry permits for the falsely accused.
* Prompt 2-3 business days return of firearms upon the termination of an order.
* Renewal of orders based on presentation of clear and convincing proof.
* Not allowing time-limited orders to be bootstrapped into lifetime federal prohibition.
In return for this, we require:
* Sporting Purposes clause of GCA68 repealed. No more 922R or import-bans except in cases of sanctioned companies/countries.
* MG Registry reopened, [EDIT: with a two-year amnesty to register any previously-unregistered MG's. No more post-samples, every single machinegun in America including the military's are all transferable.]
* SBR/SBS's and Suppressors removed from NFA--Title II reduced to MG's, Destructive Devices and Disguised Firearms ONLY.
* Significant curtailment or elimination of Victim Disarmament Zones.
* Mandatory basic-safety education in schools--Eddie Eagle/Four Rules stuff.
* Federal funding to build and maintain rifle ranges on BLM/National Forest land. Said ranges forbidden to restrict magazine capacities, and built to Defense Department training range standards.
* Most of all: NATIONWIDE CARRY or No Deal.
That's the deal, either Take It or Go Take It Up The Wrong 'Un, which I'm not convinced that Vichycon Sissycucks don't regularly enjoy anyway.
---end draft---
There it is, folks, please help me to "suck less" and be a more effective advocate for our cause.
I've been distilling some of the thoughts we've had here into a rebuttal for some of the Fuddcuck pretenders among the conservatives at RedState, and since I'm trying to distill this community's collective thoughts into a "with one voice This Is The Gun Community's Counteroffer" I thought I'd ask you guys to help me refine it, pile on clawbacks from the decades of uncontested acquiescence to Grabberfascist demands and generally better let the thoughts of this community flow through my fingers and into the keyboard.
---begin draft---
For too long, the Gun Grabbers have been playing, as Lawdog would call it, the "gimme half your cake today, then I'll come back and demand half of what's left tomorrow, then repeat ad infinitum" con game, and we in the arms community are sick and tired of it. We're sick of this, we're sick of them, and we're sick of all you Fuddtard Kapos, Virtue-Signaling cucks, and Vichy Republican sissies-in-dresses and your Failure Theater games where you pretend to fight for policies we want then secretly scuttle them in Committee. We're done with that game, and we're done with you--if you want us to give on UBC's and Red Flags, there better be safeguards WE deem acceptable on both, and we better be GETTING something tangible in return. So here's our "Take This Deal or Go Take A Fat Cock Up Your Arse and Die of AIDS" counter-offer...
On Universal Background Checks: We demand the 4473 be greatly simplified to prevent "backdoor registration". Name, address, DL #, optional space for SSN/UPIN. No firearm data collected. No waiting periods except in Delay or appealing Deny--iron goes home immediately upon a Proceed. Alternately, to ease the process we would also accept a 1-800 number or mobile app where anyone can call in a check, again collecting transferee data only and not anything that could create a "back-door registry"; alternately go with a Livescan-based BGC idea like this proposal by M4C member "rero360":
Better yet, plug gunshops into the Livescan system and let them be authorized "service providers" for both gun and carry-creds BGC's at a nominal fee to the customer."A thought that just crossed my mind. The left is always clamoring on about UBCs, Would couldn't a LiveScan be sufficient? It's been about a decade since I had one done, but LiveScans are used for a ton of different things, job applications being one of them. Why couldn't it be where you go and get a LiveScan done, you bring the printout to the LGS that says you're gtg, or a printout that has a code and phone number that they LGS calls and they are told that you're gtg, that way the Gov doesn't know if you're getting the LiveScan done for a job, a gun, or some other reason. I don't know the limitations of the system but this idea just popped into my head.
I've done a few FTF sales when and where it was legal, and I honestly prefer it, no paper trail at all, but if the UBC must be implemented, why not use a system already in place being used for multiple things so as not to be a back door registration?"
On "Red Flag" Laws: Crenshaw pays a good lip-service game, but there are things in his list of conditions that need to be tightened down. VIPR337 at M4C compiled this list of "Crenshaw Conditions," my amendments and quantifications in bold.
* Petitions initiated by law enforcement, not by spurned dating partners or relationships from long ago.
* Ex parte hearings only when there is proof of necessity.
* Proof by clear and convincing evidence, which has been corroborated.
* Guarantees of all due process rights, including cross-examination and right to counsel.
* Court-appointed counsel if the respondent so wishes.
* A civil and criminal remedy for victims of false and malicious petitions. False red-flag filers REQUIRED to be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law on Federal "deprivation of rights under color of law", ZERO prosecutorial discretion.
* Safe and orderly procedures for relinquishment of firearms. ^Relinquished weapons to be kept in double-locked cases with one key retained by the owner and ONLY opened under owner supervision.^
* <strike>Strict controls on</strike> Prohibition of no-knock raids.
* Storage of relinquished firearms by responsible third parties.
* Prompt 2-3 business days restoration of concealed carry permits for the falsely accused.
* Prompt 2-3 business days return of firearms upon the termination of an order.
* Renewal of orders based on presentation of clear and convincing proof.
* Not allowing time-limited orders to be bootstrapped into lifetime federal prohibition.
In return for this, we require:
* Sporting Purposes clause of GCA68 repealed. No more 922R or import-bans except in cases of sanctioned companies/countries.
* MG Registry reopened, [EDIT: with a two-year amnesty to register any previously-unregistered MG's. No more post-samples, every single machinegun in America including the military's are all transferable.]
* SBR/SBS's and Suppressors removed from NFA--Title II reduced to MG's, Destructive Devices and Disguised Firearms ONLY.
* Significant curtailment or elimination of Victim Disarmament Zones.
* Mandatory basic-safety education in schools--Eddie Eagle/Four Rules stuff.
* Federal funding to build and maintain rifle ranges on BLM/National Forest land. Said ranges forbidden to restrict magazine capacities, and built to Defense Department training range standards.
* Most of all: NATIONWIDE CARRY or No Deal.
That's the deal, either Take It or Go Take It Up The Wrong 'Un, which I'm not convinced that Vichycon Sissycucks don't regularly enjoy anyway.
---end draft---
There it is, folks, please help me to "suck less" and be a more effective advocate for our cause.