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9mm reloading?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Tracer411, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. Tracer411

    Tracer411 Salem Member

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    i just reloaded my first 9mm test loads, I had a large # that wouldn't eject all the way out and jammed.

    Is my problem Powder charge/ oal / ?
    i used 115gr fmj w/3.5 gr x-700
    made some at 1.159 oal and some at 1.146 i took measurment off a box of factory loads
    i belive the max oal is 1.169
    what are you guys using

    I also have 500 124gr berry's hollow points to load up also.

    Any words of wisdom will help.

    thanks
    Tracy
     
  2. powersbj

    powersbj Seattle Area Active Member

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    I think your load is to light. 4.2 gr is the starting load according to my books. I personally tend to set my OAL at 1.165, 1.146 sounds really deep for a round that doesn't have all that much volume to begin with.
     
  3. P7id10T

    P7id10T Cedar Hills Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    With a light load you are particularly subject to "limp wrist." More power in the case means more energy to the slide to eject.
    I try to be relaxed as much as possible in my grip but there is a fine line between relaxed and too relaxed - it's then I get FTE. I tend to load my 9mm hot but my 40S&W light, and it's on the 40 that I really notice when I've relaxed too much.
     
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    P7id10T Cedar Hills Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    With a light load you are particularly subject to "limp wrist." More power in the case means more energy to the slide to eject.
    I try to be relaxed as much as possible in my grip but there is a fine line between relaxed and too relaxed - it's then I get FTE. I tend to load my 9mm hot but my 40S&W light, and it's on the 40 that I really notice when I've relaxed too much.
     
  5. gunfreak

    gunfreak Boise Well-Known Member

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    I am loading 115 grain fmj in front of 3.8 grains of 700X works great. Thats what grain my little dandy throws of 700X.
     
  6. ma96782

    ma96782 Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Even though bullets may weigh the same and because a bullet's profile shape might be different.........it's not always about COLA. IMHO, it's more about whether or not the cartridge fits.

    Take apart your barrel and try this.........

    45seatingpossibilitiesx.jpg

    Then of course, your powder charge may or may not be correct........yes, I'm too lazy to look up your load data.

    Aloha, Mark
     
  7. Tracer411

    Tracer411 Salem Member

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    gunfreak from what I see on hodgdens IMR 700-X .356" 1.100" 3.3 986 25,200 PSI 3.7 1082 31,900 PSI
    4.7 should be trew the roof?
     
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    Tracer411 Salem Member

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    gunfreak from what I see on hodgdens IMR 700-X .356" 1.100" 3.3 986 25,200 PSI 3.7 1082 31,900 PSI
    4.7 should be trew the roof?
     
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    Tracer411 Salem Member

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    gunfreak from what I see on hodgdens IMR 700-X .356" 1.100" 3.3 986 25,200 PSI 3.7 1082 31,900 PSI
    4.7 should be trew the roof?
     
  10. Tracer411

    Tracer411 Salem Member

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    stupid computer 3 posts same data diffrent times?
     
  11. iGun

    iGun Pacific NW Active Member

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    I'm. Not near my reloading books but one obvious thing is to ask if you have calibrated your powder scale? In other words are you sure your charges weigh what you think they do?
     
  12. Tracer411

    Tracer411 Salem Member

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    anyone loading Berry's 9mm 124gr JHP's and have any starter recipes? I have HS-6 and 700x powder to use
     
  13. B Ready

    B Ready NW New Member

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    Hi Tracer,

    I use 700x too. My preferred load is 4.3 grains of 700x. the book I have says 3.3 to start and 4.7 max. I saw the info online. I check 3 places, then do my first start load with something that works in all the charts. I have found a COAL of 1.100 worked best for all my 9mm. I had issues with 1 feeding and 1 ejecting using other COAL's. I found 4.3gn 700x to be the most accurate over 3 firearms. Try one at a time, check for pressure signs. Once pleased with performance, I load the magazine full. When I first started reloading I was doing 5 at a time. Then I made a few hundred and had issues once in a while with the first round feeding. That was my biggest learning curve with 9mm.

    Another target load I use with 3.4 grains and a COAL of 1.075. The Lc9 seems to prefer this load. I started at 3.3 700x and worked up 20 rounds at .2 intervals from 3.3 to 4.7 (I fired as I went)

    You have a light load and not much pressure with the longer COAL.

    As with any advice online, please research loads and make sure you are in the limits or with someone with experience.

    I only use Presicion Delta and Berry's 124gr JHP with 9mm .

    Hope this helps. Let us know how it goes.
    B
     
  14. B Ready

    B Ready NW New Member

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    Also, Berry's (and Precision Delta) are plated bullets. All the info I've seen seems to lower the start charge a little for plated. I haven't noticed that. I think some of the manuals have lowered charges over the years.

    B
     
  15. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Between the Hogdon site AND the Speer 14 book I use, 3.9 to 4.4 gr of IMR 700-X for a Speer 115gr jacketed bullet.
    Those same sources give a spread of 3.0 to 4.3gr of 700-X for a Speer 124gr jacketed bullet. Those are the two sources I've been using, unless I get too much of a spread then I will look at further sources. Barrel length should be given consideration too.

    As mentioned above plated bullets usually have a recomendation of being loaded with "Cast" bullet data. Go to the bullet manufacturers data to confirm.

    Scale accuracy, I check mine by using different bullets as check weights, (yeah I know not perfect). I also dump a double or triple charge in the PAN and make sure it matches the weight it should on the scale. I'm very picky about where that needle is on the scale, you'll be surprised how little difference of the needle being high or low equals .2+/- ( 2 tenths) of a grain. With your charge in the pan try moving the tenth weight up/down a notch and see how little the needle moves. I pay REAL close attention to loads using so little powder. I check every seventh or eighth charge.



    Powder Burn Rates
    I use this ^ site a lot. It gives me a good comparison of what different powders could/would be doing in my guns.

    My pet load for 9mm in 3"-3.5" barrel is 4.2 gr of W-231. I used to load OAL from what the Speer book said, but when Wifey got her Kimber Pro-Aegis I needed to reduce OAL to 1.085 because the 124gr Montana Gold HPs we were loading were hitting the riflings. If you reduce OAL substantialy you MUST be aware of pressure increases.

    Hope all that blather will help you in some way.
     
  16. Tracer411

    Tracer411 Salem Member

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    thanks guys for the info, I am going to try and load some new rounds this weekend.
     
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    nick1980 Portland, OR Active Member

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    I would load up 10 rounds of each weight starting low and working your way up, that is unless the "range" is at your house and you're not driving far.

    I.E.
    10 of 3.5
    10 of 3.7
    etc...
     
  18. Tracer411

    Tracer411 Salem Member

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    Thanks again guys for the info, I loaded up some test rounds with your advice and 124 jhp 4.3g 700-X worked well with the correct OAL 1.100 did a few with 4.5 also shot fine. on the 115fmj the 4.3g with the 1.165 OAL is doing well in my 2 guns.

    Any thing for some 147g XTP jhp?