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Can't sell them w/o a serial number. You can still make your own, for your own usage only as I understand it.
Maybe @CountryGent can shed some light for you.
I see a lot of people building the 80% stuff.
Seen a few of the completed builds in the classifieds..
Since it doesn't come with a serial number, how does one transfer at a FFL?
When does a receiver need to have markings and/or serial numbers?
Receivers that meet the definition of a "firearm" must have markings, including a serial number. See 27 CFR § 478.92 (Firearm manufacturers marking requirements).
This gets brought up every so often. It "looks" like it can be done. Personally I would not for any amount of money buy one made, or sell one I made. The possible legal hassle somewhere down the line would never be worth it to me. Probably never be a problem but, for the cost of a gun? No thanks. Either build it yourself or buy one from a dealer.I see a lot of people building the 80% stuff.
Seen a few of the completed builds in the classifieds..
Since it doesn't come with a serial number, how does one transfer at a FFL?
I've had alot of people offer reloaded ammo as trade over the years...Id be way way way way way more worried about someones reloaded ammo before a 80 percent.
If it is just the rcvr I would not hesitate if it looked good. Not materially different than buying a receiver anywhere else.
I've related this before, but here goes:
I completed an 80% lower to give a build to my daughter a few years ago. I looked very seriously into all the rules. There is NO prohibition on selling a completed 80% lower as long as you are not "in the business", which would make you a "manufacturer" (if so, the rules for manufacturers come into play).
The requirements for serializing in the CFRs, other than a very confusing general statement, all pertain to "manufacturers". Therefore, I conclude that a non-manufacturer is not required to serialize, under the legal theory that if it is not prohibited, it is allowed. YMMV. Some have said that ALL firearms are required to have serial numbers, another confusing generality that does not match existing law re: 80% builds.
BTW, ask 10 different FFLs and you will get 15 different answers!!!
That said, the dealer needs to have something on the paperwork. Some have mentioned writing "other" or somesuch. However, I have found it easier to make something up and engrave it into the rcvr. I used my initials, my town, and my daughters birthdate backwards. Since we are not a manufacturer, we don't have to meet the specs required for serializing, ie, letter size, engraving depth, and so on. Even so, when this firearm arrived at her FFL in AR, a pawn shop, he panicked and called the BATF, they had a good laugh at him and gave him and edjumacation.
BTW, ask 5 different BATF agents and you will get 15 different answers.
Just do it.
Agreed. It's easy to make the argument than any 80% was NOT built for profit because of that extra expense.When papered lowers cost less than 80% one the easiest answer is just swap out the lower if you decide to sell the gun. I doubt anybody is making a profit using 80%, I think its more an accomplishment than anything.
This is my exact recollection too. I remember running across the ATF documentation that stated it. I saved some place safe confused for later reference.
If I remember correctly, it said that if you are doing it for profit as a business......
If/when I find it, I will post it.
Yes, it's been around a lot, and now it's hard to find, and their website has gotten even more confusing.
When I find something that is of major importance I copy it on paper. I know things change but you have proof (at that time) that you were legal.
The world is upside down and right is wrong and wrong is right and you can't be 100% sure that because it was legal then it is still legal now! Them is trick bastids that exist only to create more and new laws and regs every day to justify their paychecks.